"The Top 10 Claims Made by Creationists to Counter Scientific Theories"

[Audie]

It was a meteor strike, not a flood, that killed off the dinosaurs. There was also a supervolcano going off at the same time which is also thought to be part of the extinction event.

Also, where in the Bible does it say that there was a flood millions of years ago that killed off the dinosaurs?



You mean the same place massive herds of vegetarians like caribou and reindeer currently thrive?



Mammoths roamed the earth just 20,000 years ago. The K/T meteorite impact was 65 million years ago. How in the world are those two things related?

There were still a few mammoths about when the pyramids were being built.

 

[Audie]

When no one is looking they dig up frozen mammoths and have a barbecue.

Tough people, able to dig permafrost and, stomach the mammoth meat!
Accounts describe an appalling stench from the semi-decayed carcasses.

 

[Audie]

Can't answer that. It's not in the bible, you see.

And observing nature, well, that's....that's....that's just darn' un-Christian!

I guess. i had a similar "conversation" with another one time, about how
mammoths not only would find nothing to eat in the far north but they
were in fact tropical animals.

Google images from the arctic, showing tall grass, shrubs, trees etc
made no difference.

I have seen it myself.
I have been in the arctic.

But to a frz mammoth freak-
There is nothin' to eat up their but tundra, and most of the time it is buried
under ice. So none of them vegetablearians can live there.

And the arctic was tropical till the flood.

 

[exchemist]

That's an easy question to answer, the caribou do not live way up into the North Antarctica, where the Giant Mammoth was found, they live much closer down from the Northern Antarctica. The Caribou live around in Alaska moutains.
Caribou, also called reindeer, are found in northern regions of North America, Europe, Asia, and Greenland. As summer approaches, caribou herds head north in one of the world's great large-animal migrations. They may travel more than 600 miles along welltrod annual routes.

Today caribou can be found in parts of North America, Russia and Scandinavia. In the United States, two subspecies can be found. Rangifer tarandus granti or barren ground caribou, more well-known due to their long-distance migrations, total 950,000 and occur throughout Alaska and northern Canada.
http://nationalgeographic.com/

There's your answer.

Bu, but but, you didn't go to the bible for this! You went to a science magazine!

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Maybe had you paid attention, I didn't say anything about the Bible said anything about a Meteorite.

Then you know about the meteorite by looking at the world outside of the Bible, correct?

I said the Meteorite could haved caused the oceans to over flow over the earth and caused volcanos to erupt which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs and other life.

You would probably get water inland a few miles, but not over the entire Earth. You certainly wouldn't get ice melting 65 million years afterward because of the meteor impact like you suggested for the mammoths.

Which the Bible supports the first earth age to be destroyed by a giant flood of water from the oceans. And this is not the flood of Noah's either.

Life was destroyed by the Sun being blocked by debris from the impact, not by a flood.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

There were still a few mammoths about when the pyramids were being built.

Exactly. The only mammals around during the age of the dinosaurs were very small mammals. There weren't any large animals until the large dinosaurs were wiped out by the K/T event. Perhaps people watched the Flintstones as a kid and think mammoths and dinosaurs walked the Earth together.

 

[Audie]

Then you know about the meteorite by looking at the world outside of the Bible, correct?



You would probably get water inland a few miles, but not over the entire Earth. You certainly wouldn't get ice melting 65 million years afterward because of the meteor impact like you suggested for the mammoths.



Life was destroyed by the Sun being blocked by debris from the impact, not by a flood.

I wonder where he gets such weird stuff.

 

[Audie]

Bu, but but, you didn't go to the bible for this! You went to a science magazine!

AND, still got it wrong.

 

[exchemist]

AND, still got it wrong.

Probably thrown by the lack of chapter and verse numbers, I should think.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Then you know about the meteorite by looking at the world outside of the Bible, correct?



You would probably get water inland a few miles, but not over the entire Earth. You certainly wouldn't get ice melting 65 million years afterward because of the meteor impact like you suggested for the mammoths.



Life was destroyed by the Sun being blocked by debris from the impact, not by a flood.

You do know at the time of the dinosaurs there were no ice caps in the North poll or in the South poll.

So how do you explain how the sea shells getting into the desert mountains rocks 300 miles from the oceans.

Suppose the sea shells just moved 300 miles across desert and climb all the way up into the mountains and buried themselves in the mountain rocks.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

You do know at the time of the dinosaurs there were no ice caps in the North poll or in the South poll.

There were also no mammoths.

So how do you explain how the sea shells getting into the desert mountains rocks 300 miles from the oceans.

There are desert mountains that are the result of slow tectonic uplift which pushes previously low lying sediments upwards. Are you sure you aren't pointing to those?

There is also the fact that the meteor impact dug out a lot of marine sediment and sent it flying all over the place.

 

[Audie]

Probably thrown by the lack of chapter and verse numbers, I should think.

haha

Specifically he stopped as soon as he had found
enough to look like a rebuttal, stopping well before
he'd read on and found out that there is a lot more to it,
that both caribou and muskoxen live year round in
high arctic.

Generally, what we have is a failure of what we call
"due diligence".

An other word is "facile".

All these and moreare requirements if one it to
be successful as a Gappist, or any other type of
creationist.

 

[Audie]

You do know at the time of the dinosaurs there were no ice caps in the North poll or in the South poll.

So how do you explain how the sea shells getting into the desert mountains rocks 300 miles from the oceans.

Suppose the sea shells just moved 300 miles across desert and climb all the way up into the mountains and buried themselves in the mountain rocks.

So lets see how your common sense goes. A flood and so forth so violent that it dug up clams, and carried them miles high into the mountains.

Then this mud settled out on the mountain tops, something like chocolate
syrup over ice cream.

And, then it turned to rock, Mud on a mountaintop turned to rock.
Oh, and it penetrated all the way through. Like a layer of parfait
made by pouring over the outside, where it then works its way
through in a layer. Seriously?

You believe that?

 

[exchemist]

You do know at the time of the dinosaurs there were no ice caps in the North poll or in the South poll.

So how do you explain how the sea shells getting into the desert mountains rocks 300 miles from the oceans.

Suppose the sea shells just moved 300 miles across desert and climb all the way up into the mountains and buried themselves in the mountain rocks.

The scale of your ignorance about science is breathtaking. But since you rely only on the bible for information, that is not surprising.

Marine fossils - such as seashells - are found in mountains because mountains form from squashed up areas of the Earth's crust. So land that once was under the sea can often be found, many millions of years later, as "sedimentary" rock (sandstone, shale, limestone, that kind of thing) in the middle of high mountain ranges. The forces that do the squashing, very slowly, at a rate of 2-5cm/yr typically, arise from Plate Tectonics. This is the science that accounts for the observed motion of parts of the Earth's surface, due to convection in the mantle beneath. This science also explains volcanism and earthquakes.

 

[exchemist]

haha

Specifically he stopped as soon as he had found
enough to look like a rebuttal, stopping well before
he'd read on and found out that there is a lot more to it,
that both caribou and muskoxen live year round in
high arctic.

Generally, what we have is a failure of what we call
"due diligence".

An other word is "facile".

All these and moreare requirements if one it to
be successful as a Gappist, or any other type of
creationist.

You underrate them. Many of them have advanced degrees in quote mining.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So lets see how your common sense goes. A flood and so forth so violent that it dug up clams, and carried them miles high into the mountains.

Then this mud settled out on the mountain tops, something like chocolate
syrup over ice cream.

And, then it turned to rock, Mud on a mountaintop turned to rock.
Oh, and it penetrated all the way through. Like a layer of parfait
made by pouring over the outside, where it then works its way
through in a layer. Seriously?

You believe that?

Who exactly said the ocean seas dug up sea shells,
When the ocean seas over flowed the desert mountains, the water carried the sea shells and then the sea shells fossilized inside of the rocks of the mountains, it doesn't take much Common Sense to figure that out.

 

[exchemist]

Who exactly said the ocean seas dug up sea shells,
When the ocean seas over flowed the desert mountains, the water carried the sea shells and then the sea shells fossilized inside of the rocks of the mountains, it doesn't take much Common Sense to figure that out.

And how did these shells get deep inside the mountains? You do realise people find fossils in coal mines, do you?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Who exactly said the ocean seas dug up sea shells,
When the ocean seas over flowed the desert mountains, the water carried the sea shells and then the sea shells fossilized inside of the rocks of the mountains, it doesn't take much Common Sense to figure that out.

Common sense tells us that a sea wave can't put sea shells into the middle of a mountain. Common sense tells us that deep layers of sediments carrying sea shells were slowly uplifted by tectonic movement, just as they are being uplifted today. Mt. Everest is still moving upwards a few centimeters a year.

 

[Audie]

Who exactly said the ocean seas dug up sea shells,
When the ocean seas over flowed the desert mountains, the water carried the sea shells and then the sea shells fossilized inside of the rocks of the mountains, it doesn't take much Common Sense to figure that out.

No, yhou are confused between "common sense" and "facile".

It would be such a chore to try to get you up to speed on basic geology.

Never mind.

We have mammoths. And caribou. You made some errors. You doing to deal with those?

 

[Audie]

And how did these shells get deep inside the mountains? You do realise people find fossils in coal mines, do you?

Bits of sea shell come up out of oil wells as they are being drilled, from hundreds of feet below the wheat fields in Kansas.