Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Killing someone isn't supposed to come easy; I mean, it was still his friend.
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The Walking Dead
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Killing someone isn't supposed to come easy; I mean, it was still his friend.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Hero isn't the first thing that pops to mind with Rick, for me. Everytime? Do hero's kill their best friends everytime? I don't think it happens often.
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
On the screen? No not everytime. Best friend or not, he slept with his wife, underminded the community and tried to kill him more than once. If my "best friend" had done all that I wouldn't shed a tear for him. I might have been a bit sad about the cost of the bullet but I'd have still shot him and much sooner than they did in the show.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Can't say I'd share such anger once it was all said and done. One's anger should die with him.
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
I'm a grumpy old man and think that somethings deserve a little anger.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Maybe, but I don't see how showing anguish after killing someone who was your close friend for years makes one a "crybaby wimp". His response was realistic and appropriate. Of course characters with excessive, exaggerated emotional reactions can be annoying, but I don't think that description applies here. The tough guy Rambo archetypes are indeed interesting and entertaining characters, but only in the proper setting, such as over-the-top action flicks. Walking Dead is supposed to be a "serious drama" (as serious as a zombie show can be). I don't want two-dimensional characters.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So would I, but I would've done a lot of things differently. But apparently some part of Rick still loved him enough to try to forgive him and move on.
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
You're right, and while I found it annoying it is mostly because it is a change from the original. Had I not read the original this scene would have been ok. I didn't see a need to add these reactions to the character.
Lots and lots of things I would have done differently. :yes:
Is God responsible for the free will of zombies? Also, what about zombies changing their minds --is God responsible for zombies changing their minds? Like, first they want this "braaaiiinnnnss...." and then they change direction and want that "braaaiiiinnnnsss..." Should we ban brains because of zombies? How did zombies get into the Garden of Eden? And what about LeVayan zombies: can we determine if they are pantheist or panentheist if we can't even agree on the definition of atheist and agnostic?
So, they're destined to be raised by their fathers and become the kings of the forest?Zombies don't have freewill anymore then bambi does.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
It just dawned on me that you mean something else when you say zombies. So perhaps a bit of clarification if it's not too much of a spoiler.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
I liked this week's episode. I was a little bummed out about Shane being put down. I haven't read the comics so I didn't know what to expect out of that character.
Can someone tell me why he became a zombie? Earlier when he was off camera you get the sense he was killing that guy he took to the woods but they said the guy didn't have any bites. Was Shane a carrier? Wow, what if the baby Rick's wife is carrying is Shane's and is infected?
I'm ready for next week's episode.
Can someone tell me why he became a zombie? Earlier when he was off camera you get the sense he was killing that guy he took to the woods but they said the guy didn't have any bites. Was Shane a carrier? Wow, what if the baby Rick's wife is carrying is Shane's and is infected?
I'm ready for next week's episode.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
While I haven't read the comic, I've browsed its wiki.
Shane died way earlier and under slightly different circumstances in the comic.As mentioned earlier, it's likely that the disease is now airborne and everyone is infected. So now everyone who dies will come back regardless of what the cause of death was (unless the brain is damaged or destroyed).
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Considering that the comic book apparently has a ninja girl who keeps two walkers as pets, the further the tv show strays from the source, the better.
Nothing against the comic book, but the style is completely different and unfitting for a "serious drama". I want the suspension of disbelief to remain intact.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Now I can agree with that. :yes:
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Only cause ninjas suck. Now if it was a pirate with walker pets that'd be different.
MASSIVE SPOILERS
(RF's spoiler tags suck)
Michonne isn't a "ninja girl"- she's an attorney who happens to use a katana as one of her weapons (wisely so since it's a quiet and deadly weapon). In the comic she first appears with two zombie "captives"- her brother and her boyfriend. She removed their arms and jaws and kept both around to deal with the trauma of their deaths (later, after dispatching them, she holds long imaginary conversations with them not unlike Rick does with Lori over the phone). She also realizes that other zombies would tend to leave her alone when accompanied by her undead companions. The only ninja-ish thing about her is the katana.
I wish the series would follow the comic book more closely. Changing Shane's killer from Carl to Rick removes a lot of the emotional impact and ignores the subtle build up the show has demonstrated with Carl's evolution from kid to defender of his family to borderline sociopath. Allowing Rick to kill Shane was boring and does nothing to advance his character as he had already re-established himself as alpha male. In the comic, when Carl kills Shane, it's the living Shane he kills and it raises all kinds of interesting questions about violence and a child's responsibility to his family in a world where killing is an act that no longer carries the same moral weight as it did when the world wasn't zombie infested. That's interesting- making the main protagonist kill the main bad guy is expected but dull.
Anyway, I find the comic is much more gritty and reality based than the tv show. The comic also does a better job of advancing the plot and making the characters actual well rounded thinking people instead of the tv show's vacuous blank slates whose motivations and personalities change week to week based on the writer's whims.
That's probably just me though.
