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The witchhunt continues...

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I’m sure @icehorse is rational enough to accept scientific data and acknowledge that we should place that above irrational fears

Surely, that is reasonable to assume?
Right @icehorse? You’re a science-y person, yeah?!

I skimmed through the study you linked to. It appears to me that study was addressing a different topic, no?

Step back for a minute and try to apply common sense. It is a relatively new thing that trans women look like men, correct?

Therefore it's a relatively new thing that someone who looks like a man can enter a woman's restroom without being questioned.

Given this, you're claim is that rapists will not take advantage of this new development. Wow! Just wow!
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Right there. It demonstrates well the ulterior motive of every Anti-LGBTQ argument.

What is wrong with normalizing?

This is a "editing a statement to eliminate or change the context" hall of famer!
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I skimmed through the study you linked to. It appears to me that study was addressing a different topic, no?
So, you're saying a study about the effects of trans-inclusive bathroom policies on the safety of women and the prevalence of sexual assaults in bathrooms is a different topic to the topic of... Women's safety and the likelihood of sexual assaults in public bathrooms that may result from trans-inclusive bathroom policies?

Good one!

From the abstract of the study (emphasis mine):

"This study presents findings from matched pairs analyses of localities in Massachusetts with and without gender identity inclusive public accommodation nondiscrimination ordinances. Data come from public record requests of criminal incident reports related to assault, sex crimes, and voyeurism in public restrooms, locker rooms, and dressing rooms to measure safety and privacy violations in these spaces. This study finds that the passage of such laws is not related to the number or frequency of criminal incidents in these spaces. Additionally, the study finds that reports of privacy and safety violations in public restrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms are exceedingly rare. This study provides evidence that fears of increased safety and privacy violations as a result of nondiscrimination laws are not empirically grounded."

How is the above not related to what is being discussed, exactly?

Step back for a minute and try to apply common sense. It is a relatively new thing that trans women look like men, correct?

Therefore it's a relatively new thing that someone who looks like a man can enter a woman's restroom without being questioned.

Given this, you're claim is that rapists will not take advantage of this new development. Wow! Just wow!
Translation: "Ignore facts if they contradict my beliefs. You should always assume, without basis, that any scientific findings that contradict what I want to believe or what I have claimed must be flawed in some way. That's how you do an anti-dogmatism!"

Evidence over feels, for life. You, my friend, are clearly the rational, good-faith debater on this forum. Number 1 science boy. I appoint you EvidenceMan! Where there is evidence, you will be there! Congratulations!
 
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Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Okay, if that is the case then disregard it. I’ll check it out further.
I knew about it already. Any time anyone is using "groomers" is suspicious. This is a classic homophobic/transphobic concept and term used to rationalize or justify any and all things opposed to LGBTQ, even when we just want to go outside or to the store. To them, going outside or the store is always "gay" code for grooming, abusing and raping children.


They want us to keep it in the closet or just not exist at all.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
No it's not. It's of the foundation of your entire argument. It IS the context.

some things are good to normalize, some things are bad to normalize. can we use that as a starting point?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I knew about it already. Any time anyone is using "groomers" is suspicious. This is a classic homophobic/transphobic concept and term used to rationalize or justify any and all things opposed to LGBTQ, even when we just want to go outside or to the store. To them, going outside or the store is always "gay" code for grooming, abusing and raping children.


They want us to keep it in the closet or just not exist at all.
Okay, I decided to delete that post if that organization is disingenuous or fake.
Nevertheless, I think it’s important to delve into the “transgender” movement a bit deeper and see what’s actually going on.


“The current iteration of this ideology, established by the technocracy we live in, is meant to ensconce us in a virtual or cyber world to which the natural world is subjugated. With its massive propaganda apparatus, it has only taken a decade to convince the populace that there is a unique type of human, untethered to the biosphere like the rest of us, mere “biological people.”

The political left (media and politicians) is helping to manifest this virtual reality driving a narrative of unique, ethereal humans, unattached to the ecosystem & needing special rights within law & society.

The political right (media and politicians) is linguistically supporting this edifice whenever they argue that “transgender women” don’t belong in “biological women’s” sports, prisons, colleges, etc. They solidify the illusion of another type of human that is not biological at every turn. Until the media focuses on tearing down the faulty premise of people outside of the parameters of our sexed reality, this exercise of building a virtual reality for us to live in will only continue to be solidified. The premise of alternate humans must be attacked along with the political lobby fostering the illusion.

Corporations, banks, international investment houses, governments, legal institutions, and influential non-governmental organizations (NGOs) market the idea that we are not a sexually dimorphic species. They don’t care about the identity issues of a minuscule part of the population. It is patently ridiculous to think so. They are marketing disembodiment. “Gender,” currently being promoted as a revolutionary human rights movement to set us free, is an industry posing as social progress for the people. It seeks to deconstruct human reproductive sex for profit and human engineering.”

 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Right there. It demonstrates well the ulterior motive of every Anti-LGBTQ argument.

What is wrong with normalizing?
Hmmm. The homosexual predatory pedofiles who groomed my friends and I when we were 15 were all about normalizing thngs too. I was groomed to be a supplicating sex toy for men between the ages of 35-55 and felt good about being the centre of attention. I never even thought I was being exploited, they were that good. Forgive me, if I'm not keen of "normalizing" now.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Hmmm. The homosexual predatory pedofiles who groomed my friends and I when we were 15 were all about normalizing thngs too. I was groomed to be a supplicating sex toy for men between the ages of 35-55 and felt good about being the centre of attention. I never even thought I was being exploited, they were that good. Forgive me, if I'm not keen of "normalizing" now.
Guess what? They were pedophiles. They don't represent the LGBTQ community, myself or decent folk everywhere. They were simply gutless pedophiles.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Okay, I decided to delete that post if that organization is disingenuous or fake.
Nevertheless, I think it’s important to delve into the “transgender” movement a bit deeper and see what’s actually going on.


“The current iteration of this ideology, established by the technocracy we live in, is meant to ensconce us in a virtual or cyber world to which the natural world is subjugated. With its massive propaganda apparatus, it has only taken a decade to convince the populace that there is a unique type of human, untethered to the biosphere like the rest of us, mere “biological people.”

The political left (media and politicians) is helping to manifest this virtual reality driving a narrative of unique, ethereal humans, unattached to the ecosystem & needing special rights within law & society.

The political right (media and politicians) is linguistically supporting this edifice whenever they argue that “transgender women” don’t belong in “biological women’s” sports, prisons, colleges, etc. They solidify the illusion of another type of human that is not biological at every turn. Until the media focuses on tearing down the faulty premise of people outside of the parameters of our sexed reality, this exercise of building a virtual reality for us to live in will only continue to be solidified. The premise of alternate humans must be attacked along with the political lobby fostering the illusion.

Corporations, banks, international investment houses, governments, legal institutions, and influential non-governmental organizations (NGOs) market the idea that we are not a sexually dimorphic species. They don’t care about the identity issues of a minuscule part of the population. It is patently ridiculous to think so. They are marketing disembodiment. “Gender,” currently being promoted as a revolutionary human rights movement to set us free, is an industry posing as social progress for the people. It seeks to deconstruct human reproductive sex for profit and human engineering.”

I was with this identity long before any corporation or institution even acknowledged I existed.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
And you guys think it only happens to humans!

Trans Dog.jpg
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Guess what? They were pedophiles. They don't represent the LGBTQ community, myself or decent folk everywhere. They were simply gutless pedophiles.
You're correct in that they do not represent the LGBlahblahblah so-called "community". Thank you so much for stating the bloody obvious.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Calm down @Shadow Wolf , you're involved in a debate. You might not always be right ;) Your debate opponents are not required to answer every point you make. They are not required to verbatim parrot back everything you've said. These topics are complex. If you put forth an argument along the lines of: Since A is true AND B is true AND C is true, then X, your opponent does not - from a boolean logic perspective - have to answer A and B and C. If ANY of A, B, and C are responded to, that's completely legit from a debating perspective.

carry on ;)
If you want a productive debate that requires accurately portraying what people are saying and not misrepresenting them.
And it's not as comolex as you think. Fearing transwomen in the women's restroom is no different than white people being opposed to ending racial segregation for fears black women will prey upon white women. Or, as anither garbage claim US History has seen, Chinese men preying upon white women.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Hmmm. The homosexual predatory pedofiles who groomed my friends and I when we were 15 were all about normalizing thngs too. I was groomed to be a supplicating sex toy for men between the ages of 35-55 and felt good about being the centre of attention. I never even thought I was being exploited, they were that good. Forgive me, if I'm not keen of "normalizing" now.
You were abused, and you were abused criminally by pedophiles, who are not LGBTQ+. Pedophilia may well be a mental sickness, but it is one with such serious consequences that these people must be kept away from children simply for the sake of protecting children.
 
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