You're demonstrating poor reading skills. No one, not me, not anyone on this thread that I've seen is fearing transwomen in the restroom. Go back, take a breathe, slow down, and read more carefully!
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You're demonstrating poor reading skills. No one, not me, not anyone on this thread that I've seen is fearing transwomen in the restroom. Go back, take a breathe, slow down, and read more carefully!
One of the topics being debated in THIS thread is whether it's a good idea to - VERY SPECIFICALLY - normalize people who look like men, using women's restrooms.
This seems like a no-brainer to me, I guess the kool-aid hasn't hit me yet?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I do thank you for the sentiment, but you have no idea, at all, if these people were LGBTQ+... I almost get a sense of the No True Scotsman fallacy. News flash. Pedofiles are riddled throughout the so-called "gay community". Pedophilia, from my direct experience, is baked into this so-called "gay community".
Well, put it that way, and people who look like men (according to you) shouldn't use women's restrooms, but people with body parts more typically associated with women shouldn't use men's restrooms. So let's just agree that trans people are only allowed bathroom priviliges in the privacy of their own homes. In the office, they have to hold it 9-to-5. And the same for people that look like women, but have body parts more typically associated with men. That sounds fair, doesn't it?
As a life-long member of this "so-called" community, I have not seen that to be true. It is, in fact, quite common for pedophiles to not particularly care which gender their prey are (this has certainly been the case with many priests). Historically, however, boys have been easier to gain access to.
To be sure, I knew a few pedophiles here in Toronto, and they were generally shunned by the adult gay people. There was a small group that preyed on teen hockey fans at Maple Leaf Gardens in the 1970s, and they were always on the fringe of all community activities in town. In fact, they tried to have a go at me long ago, and I was not at all polite in my suggestion of what they could do to themselves.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
You're just cancelling out a potential "no true Scotsman" fallacy and replacing it with your own generalization fallacy.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
This is true. Both my dogs love the toys I get for my cats. And the cats like their toys. It's a horrible mixed up world we live in.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Do you believe pedophilia to be more prominent among homosexuals than heterosexuals? 82% of sexual abuse victims are female (Children and Teens: Statistics | RAINN).
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Big mistake. None of that is going to confirm any bias.
Some people, deliberately, can't separate out pedophilia from homosexuality. Then, there'd be no cause for alarm or need for outrage or hate even.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Based on my understanding, all 11 men who abused me, knew each other. I'm thinking it may well have been friendships due to the "perks" they got hanging around each other. It's a mixed bag. I have no idea on the hetero side of the coin but suspect there are more lone wolves in that camp. It'd love to say more but cannot.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Thank you for what is certainly, hands down, the most moronic statement I've seen in a long while. Good job!
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If it's worth anything, I'm sorry.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You did bring it up. You said cis women are afraid. That's been challenged on the grounds thise fears are irrational and offered counter examples where the majirity group has been afraid of mingling with a minority group.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
What's moronic about it?
Sorry for the confusion, that's not the point I'm trying to make..
Recently some trans women have decided that it's okay to be a trans woman and still look like a man. For example, it's now not uncommon for a trans woman to have a beard.
For the most part I don't have any problems with that. But the issue is that if people who LOOK like men are normally seen entering women's restrooms, that makes it easier for men who want to assault women to do so as well.
says the person who continues to misrepresent what I'm saying
can we lighten up a bit and not assume ill will or bad faith?
I'm going to amend my previous statement. Not a lot but a bit. I read the "Study" more carefully. First of all, the link is to a summary of the study, not the study itself. And the link within the link is also not to the actual study. If I'm wrong about that, if either of those things are meant to be the actual study, then it's no study at all. Both links appear to be summaries.
The summaries themselves are vague and a bit ambiguous. I suspect (not sure), that the study had to do with whether trans women themselves represent a danger to women and girls in public restrooms. Whether they do or not, that is NOT the point I'm making. So it could be that I'm misinterpreting the summary of the study? But I really do think the summary is vague and ambiguous.
But for the sake of discussion, let's say it really IS about the point I'm making. In that case, the problem is that - as I've been saying - it's a relatively new thing for trans women to sport beards. So even if the study factored that in - which is NOT mentioned at all - it's too new to have collected any meaningful data.
I believe that leaves us stranded with nothing more than out common sense
Some women who are really women have beards, should we prevent them (authentic women) using the ladies restroom because they have facial hair in case it leads to the assault of other women?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I didn't assume. You brought up ciswomen being afraid, amd doubt some are, but should arachnophobia be a concern for pet shops? Should those who want segregation for fear and hatred of people who aren't of this odd construction called white be considered when deciding public policy?says the person who continues to misrepresent what I'm saying
can we lighten up a bit and not assume ill will or bad faith?
Or do you think shark hunting is good because movies like Jaws made people afraid of them?
I promise you, I'm operating in good faith here. I am struggling to understand how the comparisons you're making relate to my concern?
So let's take it in steps:
Do you agree that men raping and assaulting women is a real issue and that it's realistic for women to be cautious and concerned about men being violent towards them?