Theists: What would a godless universe look like?

[Little Dragon]

More like the Universe is animated by light/dark divine energy. What I refer to as magic.

Energy is the potential of a system to do work. Simply put. Whether that is the potential gravitational and kinetic energy of a falling raindrop or the chemical potential energy of a Duracell battery cell. What is the nature of the system that this energy is contained within?

 

[The Hammer]

What is the nature of the system that this energy is contained within?

The System is the Universe as a whole. Which is all of Nature and the Natural world.

Your version of "energy" is the physics and physical science definition. But definitions and meanings shift move and change depending on culture and subculture. Science is a subculture of society.

 

[Little Dragon]

Sort of. Rocks don't have Genomes

They do have crystalline structures and chemical compositions. Every future educational book about abiogenesis will start with geology and planetary chemistry.

 

[Little Dragon]

Science is a subculture of society.

Science is merely a tool, a methodology of objective inquiry.

 

[Little Dragon]

Your version of "energy" is the physics and physical science definition.

I know of no other definitions.

 

[The Hammer]

Science is merely a tool, a methodology of objective inquiry.

Yup. It's a tool.

I have different tools for theological inquiry. And definitions that don't always fit the "scientific definitions".

But others in my community know what I am referring to with the language I use. Which is more important than outsiders understanding.

 

[Little Dragon]

The System is the Universe as a whole. Which is all of Nature and the Natural world.

Your dark light energy, is inherent, in matter and time and space? Ok.
How does it interact with the world? What is the communicating agency or the carrier of this energy?

 

[Little Dragon]

But others in my community know what I am referring to with the language I use. Which is more important than outsiders understanding.

I see.

 

[The Hammer]

I know of no other definitions.

I tend to use the first two definitions, unless I am exclusively referring to science, then the latter two are appropriate.
From Merriam-Webster:


energy
noun
en·er·gy ˈe-nər-jē


1
a
: dynamic quality
narrative energy
b
: the capacity of acting or being active
intellectual energy
c
: a usually positive spiritual force
the energy flowing through all people

2
: vigorous exertion of power : EFFORT
investing time and energy

3
: a fundamental entity of nature that is transferred between parts of a system in the production of physical change within the system and usually regarded as the capacity for doing work

4
: usable power (such as heat or electricity)
also : the resources for producing such power

 

[The Hammer]

Your dark light energy, is inherent, in matter and time and space? Ok.

Yeah.

How does it interact with the world?

Photons and Dark Matter?

What is the communicating agency or the carrier of this energy?

Long distance quantum entanglement?

Edit: these really aren't questions that have ever concerned me irt the Gods. Not really important imo.

 

[Little Dragon]

3
: a fundamental entity of nature that is transferred between parts of a system in the production of physical change within the system and usually regarded as the capacity for doing work

Yes that is the definition, I do understand.

 

[The Hammer]

Yes that is the definition, I do understand.

And as you see, it's not the only one. There are 4 total variations. To claim there is only one definition and usage of the word is not called for.

 

[Little Dragon]

Long distance quantum entanglement?

Can't be that, since only information can be transferred with "spooky action at a distance" as Einstein called it, not energy. However I like the ideas!

 

[Little Dragon]

To claim there is only one definition and usage of the word is not called for.

When discussing the measurable physical universe. Number 3 is the only one that counts.

 

[Little Dragon]

Edit: these really aren't questions that have ever concerned me irt the Gods. Not really important imo.

I can see!

 

[The Hammer]

Can't be that, since only information can be transferred with "spooky action at a distance" as Einstein called it, not energy. However I like the ideas!

Data (ie information ) is energy imo. Data contains photons which contains an electrical charge which is itself energy. Data is an idea.

The universe itself is "Energy" in various states (solid liquid gas plasma, dark light, etc). So transmitting data (ie communicating w/a Deity) at a distance is entirely plausible imo.

 

[The Hammer]

When discussing the measurable physical universe. Number 3 is the only one that counts.

Good thing not everything is measurable

 

[Little Dragon]

Data is energy imo. Data contains photons which contains an electrical charge which is it else energy. Data is an idea.

If that is your desire, however I could not agree.

 

[The Hammer]

If that is your desire, however I could not agree.

I figured as much. I was an electrical/computer engineer while in the military, so I see everything in terms of data and energy.

 

[Little Dragon]

Good thing not everything is measurable

Hmmmmmmmmm...