Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
You're religion is unknown now?Does the Qur'an mention jesus was sinless?
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You're religion is unknown now?Does the Qur'an mention jesus was sinless?
Do you listen to a scholar or what the scriptures tell you?
Muhammad would be an example of someone who never intentionally sinned.
Besides, sinning does not matter as we learn from our sins and mistakes.
We were made to sin but to learn from them and repent.
We have a free will which is why we are superior to other Allah has made.
Either way i do not think you comprehended what i said.First it was he never sinned....
Then it was he never intentionally sinned....
Or were those typos too?
Yes what ever I do or say should be attributed to me. If I happen to say negative comments it should not be given to anybody but myself.You're religion is unknown now?
I think this particular topic is a good example where modern understanding is inserted into the understanding of people of that era. Medically and physiologically they were almost completely ignorant and such a ridiculous description would have been adequate up until the 1500's or so. Now, when presented with this, Muslim are forced to pretend that the Qur'an is telling a "truth" without admitting it is a "truth" meant for ignorant folks that didn't know better. What gives this such great traction is that Muslims have been rattling on and on about the divinity of the Qur'an from fairly early on and so have painted themselves into an awkward corner.You see what's wrong when you just read Quran (especially in translation).
Since it's huge topic I won't go deep into debate, but you can check read more about that verse here.
Edit: Pasted image by accident.
Pfffft... Well, since mankind did pass beyond the zones, quite obviously they were authorized to do so. Muslims didn't have to take part in this.We defied your god with space travel
O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass! Qur'an 55:33
Actually I have a very good grasp on pre-Islamic Arabia right into the Islamic takeover.
As with all the Abrahamic faiths, Islam is an invented religion, it is based on a rearrangement of earlier 'pagan' Arabian beliefs which intermingled with Christian, Judaic, Roman/Greco, Vedic, and Mesopotamian structures.
Allah can be traced to pre-Islamic beliefs in a lunar god, although Allah may have been treated as a Creator deity much like the Egyptian Khnum, He was not the most worshiped. The most worshiped were three goddesses, Al'Lat, which simply means 'goddess', Al'Uzza, literally 'the strong one' who is the full moon and the mother aspect, Al'Menat, the waning but wise goddess of fate, prophecy and divination. Mohammed supplanted Al'Lat with Allah, carrying over the Abrahamic tradition of destroying the Feminine aspect of spirituality.
You see it IS about Arabic language, which certainly is a slippery slope with an incredible amount of leeway to each word allowing them to be used to one's advantage.
Keep in mind that Islam encourages its followers to lie under certain circumstances in the form of Taqqiya and Kitman. The former is the direct manipulation of truth and the latter the lie of omission. They are allowed in circumstances, including but not limited to, gaining the trust of non believers in order to convert or to destroy them.
Either way i do not think you comprehended what i said.
Lets say he was to sin, even though it would probably be very very little amount.
Repenting and Dua is a gift and blessing from Allah.
We learn from our sins and mistakes once again i repeat we LEARN AND WE ARE FORGIVED.
So, that point is not relevant.
Read my post carefully . . .Seeing as it is an Abrahamic faith, don't you think that it came from Abrahamic faiths (specifically Syriac Christianity) rather than paganism?
"minor and inconsequential" . . . in what way?Of course all religions are influenced by pre-existing beliefs an rituals, but the paganism in Quran is very minor and inconsequential
According to the library of books I've been reading in lieu of writing a book, Pagan Arabia was very much indeed in a healthy state right up to and even past the Islamic takeover.It's very questionable how much paganism still existed in the 7th C. Arabia was not a backwater, but a place integrated into the local region and with the Romans and Persians. Paganism appears to have died out in either 3rd or 5th C in Himyar/Yemen (can't remember which off the top of my head). Northern Arabia had been mostly Christian for centuries. The East and west were also significantly 'Abrahamised' long before Islam.
I suppose you are not clear on the mission of Islam?The initial audience of the Quran are not pagans but Abrahamic monotheists. The text would make no sense to pagans as it references Biblical characters and Christian/Jewish theological issues without ever explaining or narrating them. It clearly assumes the audience is already reasonably familiar with the Abrahamic corpus.
You're disagreeing with a Muslim scholar, not me . . .Anyway, as regards the point I made, 'the furthest place of prostration/prayer' cannot be translated into 'the al-Aqsa mosque'. That is an interpolation, not a translation.
[It's also probably about Moses, not Muhammed]
Read my post carefully . . .
"minor and inconsequential" . . . in what way?
According to the library of books I've been reading in lieu of writing a book, Pagan Arabia was very much indeed in a healthy state right up to and even past the Islamic takeover.
I suppose you are not clear on the mission of Islam?
You're disagreeing with a Muslim scholar, not me . . .
I, for one, am still quite impressed. He is fairly remarkable for a 15 year old kid! @JabarIt is relevant because you still didn't tell me which you really meant and NOW you are saying "let's say he was to sin" which is to imply "I don't know if he did but IF he did - he can repent."
You are all over the place and I think it's hilarious especially how you now say it isn't relevant but it is or we wouldn't be talking about it.
It's the difference in black and white. Either he sinned, didn't, or you don't know. Which is it? Because in this thread alone you've already made all 3 claims. It cannot be all three.....
This is why no one takes you seriously my young friend. Instead of trolling and grasping at straws all the time - be our friend and learn something, pal.
It is relevant because you still didn't tell me which you really meant and NOW you are saying "let's say he was to sin" which is to imply "I don't know if he did but IF he did - he can repent."
You are all over the place and I think it's hilarious especially how you now say it isn't relevant but it is or we wouldn't be talking about it.
It's the difference in black and white. Either he sinned, didn't, or you don't know. Which is it? Because in this thread alone you've already made all 3 claims. It cannot be all three.....
This is why no one takes you seriously my young friend. Instead of trolling and grasping at straws all the time - be our friend and learn something, pal.
You coming back to hate??A blind cannot see or know the value of a diamond which is sad and unfortunate.
A ignorant man who thinks that coal is more beautiful in appearance than any gem and shuts his eye to maintain his illusion, its best to stop discussion with him.
A 15 year old makes a thread to troll and doesn't accept the obvious faults in his logic and book.
And people are still giving reasonable statements.
HE WILL NEVER ADMIT that the Quran is not accurate even if it is proved to him by science a hundred times over.
And lash out at other religions.
That's wrong, many people read the Qur'an as i d.What do you think people have been doing on this thread?
You are the infallible creation of Allah... No one is right. No one can read the Quran but you.
I mean the talent you are endowed with is indescribable!!
You can never be wrong..nor is the Quran... It is the truth of God that can only be understood by your mercy who's the new last prophet of Islam.
You've managed to create a fool of yourself for the 10th page of this thread meant to troll and beat your chest and scream "Allah hu Akbar".
And you expect anyone to take you seriously?
That's wrong, many people read the Qur'an as i d.
You should refrain from the insults as it would make this environment a more safer one.
Give me one.Refrain from insults or refrain from pointing out the obvious holes in the Quran that according to you is A gem
Actually, given you are still young and have a lack of experience in real life you don't have a lot else filling up your head and so can focus on this trivia with ease.Haha, i do not find myself to be impressive all that much.
The complexity of the Qur'an is what makes me speak remarkable.
I have a lot of experience for your information...Actually, given you are still young and have a lack of experience in real life you don't have a lot else filling up your head and so can focus on this trivia with ease.