SkepticThinker
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And the date it was written.Your only evidence is the third person narrative. Its inconclusive. Will you continue?
Still waiting on your evidence/reasons for believing it's an eyewitness account.
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And the date it was written.Your only evidence is the third person narrative. Its inconclusive. Will you continue?
Gospels of Mathew and johnNo, they really did not. Do you think that one of them was Peter? The epistles of Peter appear to have not been written by Peter. And if you read them they do not even really say anything about Jesus. Was the other Jimmy? The same applies.
There's evidence and scholarship for an earlier origin of John's gospel.And the date it was written.
I'm saying nobody knowsStill waiting on your evidence/reasons for believing it's an eyewitness account.
What then happens if there are other stories just as great? Would a Christian embrace those stories as well?Well, if you’re Christian, he’s king of the universe, the life and the resurrection.
Idk I’m not Christian. I doubt they would.What then happens if there are other stories just as great? Would a Christian embrace those stories as well?
Regards Tony
That's OK, you did bring the topic up. The story of Jesus Christ has for quite some time been put forward by Christians as the greatest story ever told, but humanity has lived another 2000 years since that story and some other stories just as great, containing much more drama, have since unfolded and now also been told.Idk I’m not Christian. I doubt they would.
This still doesn't help you.There's evidence and scholarship for an earlier origin of John's gospel.
John reached its final form around AD 90–110, although it contains signs of origins dating back to AD 70 and possibly even earlier.
Gospel of John - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
I'm saying the available evidence indicates it's not an eyewitness account. So there appears to be some at least two reasons to believe this.I'm saying nobody knows
Start again: what evidence?the available evidence indicates it's not an eyewitness account.
They sure have.humanity has lived another 2000 years since that story and some other stories just as great, containing much more drama, have since unfolded and now also been told.
Every event that makes the Story of Jesus, was retold in the story of the Bab, but the drama in the time of the Bab, is bigger than any epic made to date and the epic still unfolds.They sure have.
In addition to what you said, the story of the Bab's martyrdom is verifiable history whereas the story of Jesus death and resurrection is not verifiable.Every event that makes the Story of Jesus, was retold in the story of the Bab, but the drama in the time of the Bab, is bigger than any epic made to date and the epic still unfolds.
If you’re Baha’i sureThat's OK, you did bring the topic up. The story of Jesus Christ has for quite some time been put forward by Christians as the greatest story ever told, but humanity has lived another 2000 years since that story and some other stories just as great, containing much more drama, have since unfolded and now also been told.
In reality, all these stories become one, and they combined together, become the greatest story told to date.
Regards Tony
It is now recorded history.If you’re Baha’i sure
I think you will find that a minefield of different records of history and opinions as well.In addition to what you said, the story of the Bab's martyrdom is verifiable history whereas the story of Jesus death and resurrection is not verifiable.
The New Testament was written by people who were not eye witnesses to Jesus.
There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament. The four gospels were written and circulated anonymously and the traditional authorship was secondarily assigned towards the end of the second century CE. There is not a single first person claim to being an eye witness to Jesus' life.
Given what I said above, which is explained in the video below, what logical reason would anyone have to believe that the Gospels are an accurate depiction of the life of Jesus? Why should we believe that what these anonymous authors wrote about Jesus is true?
There are no sects in my religion.
There is only one Baha'i Faith
Excellent! To believe in Jesus. Now if a person believes inJohn 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
(I wrote that one from memory!)
What do you believe about Jesus specifically? You are not a Muslim because -- you believe in that which the one you say is a messenger said. You believe all roads lead to God? Do you believe that there are false prophets or messengers?What does the Bible say?
I believe in Jesus but I am not a Christian because I am a Baha'i.
Baha'is and Muslims are exceptions to what I said before since we both believe in Jesus as well as our own prophets.
It is very reliable based on history and what happened after his death. Many have been martyred. That does not make them true messengers.In addition to what you said, the story of the Bab's martyrdom is verifiable history whereas the story of Jesus death and resurrection is not verifiable.
OK, what hope do the Bahai writings offer?The Baha'i Writings offer hope, more hope than the Bible offers. Is that a reason to believe them?
I have a reason not to believe the stories in the NT, because I have no idea who wrote them!
By contrast, I know exactly who wrote the Baha'i Writings, and the original writings exist in a vault in Haifa, Israel.
Well TB says there is no evidence, so I did a search and, naturally, Christians think there's plenty of evidence.I'd like to start going over the gospel (that means 'good news'--you probably know that) of Matthew.
The account of the life of Jesus Christ was written by the onetime tax collector Matthew. It is the first book in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Matthew’s account starts with the human ancestry of Jesus, followed by his birth, and concludes with Christ’s postresurrection commissioning of his followers to go and “make disciples of people of all the nations.” (Matthew 28:19,20) Thus it covers the time between Jesus’ birth and his meeting with his disciples just before his ascension in 33 C.E. We'll get into more hopefully later.
I went through the "Jesus" movement of the 70's. Some friends got "Born Again." It was very clear why their Christianity was not only the best way, but the only way.If I thought every sect of those groups calling themselves Christian I would feel free to join any of them. But I don't. So I hope that answers your question in part. As you likely know, I don't believe in what is called a Trinity of 3 persons said to all be equal to each other, etc. So that eliminates many groups for me regarding their understanding of who or what God is. I'll start there and leave it there for a while to answer your question in a way.