There Have Been 144 Major Earthquakes in the Last Week.

[Deeje]

If you google "a brief history of the Apocalypse" there's a site that catalogues the most well known examples of this from the last several thousand years. All predictions made in earnest by genuinely convinced people, all subsequently proven wrong. It's quite a track record. In my own life I've known people utterly convinced that the Bible "clearly prophesied" Gorbachev, Saddam Hussein, and Barrack Obama as the antichrist and proof the end of the world was upon us. All wrong.

Like I said to @Deeje before, the world WILL end eventually, somehow. But given the vast history of spectacular failures of such prophecies in the past, by people just as sincere and sure of their reading of whatever their source was, it's going to take a bit more than "lots of bad stuff is happening" to convince me.

Lots of bad stuff is ALWAYS happening. If anyone has evidence that the frequency of bad stuff is significantly increasing, great, that'd be one thing, but whenever I ask for such evidence in these sorts of discussions (which I've been having for over 20 years on and off) there's always some excuse for why I shouldn't ask.

Like I said...the devil is a great mimic. He sets people up to predict dates, days and hours, but when they lead to disappointment, it gives people a jaded attitude. His first effort is always to confuse people and mask the truth. He passes truth off as fiction, and fiction off as truth. Only a well educated Christian will see the difference.

We have all heard the many conspiracy theories and it is obvious that the majority of them are nonsense....BUT, there is some truth to others among the rubbish that get lumped in with the nonsense, so that all conspiracy theories then become nonsense to those with that jaded attitude. The truth is hidden like a diamond in a pile of broken glass.

This is the devil's MO, so it should make us aware of what he is up to, and not ignore the clear sign that Jesus gave us to indicate when this period in history would begin. No one knows when it will end, but we shouldn't be lulled into complacency.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Le'ts look at deaths from wars:

Oh, looky there. once again deaths are down not up. Deaths from war peaked at WWII, deaths per 100.000 people are at an all time low.

 

[Deeje]

Again, what evidence do you have that the incidence of any of these "signs" are increasing?

The signs do not have to increase, they just all have to be manifest in plain sight during one specific period of time. We are seeing all the features of the sign since 1914 and world conditions have never looked more bleak. All the nations are in turmoil with their governments, revolts, failing economies, increasing crime, drug addiction, and poverty driven homelessness.
All that is needed is a global solution to a global problem and humans will welcome it. The trouble is, the devil will offer a mimic to God's Kingdom as the solution to man's problems......but there will never be a political solution according to the Bible. People will pin their hopes on the devil's fake solution, but it will lead to utter chaos. We are to be no part of this world for a reason.....it is controlled by the devil...it's god and ruler. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:19)

This is what we believe because we see it with our own eyes, and we are not fooled by the devil's attempts to mask the truth. Eyes of faith I guess.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The signs do not have to increase, they just all have to be manifest in plain sight during one specific period of time. We are seeing all the features of the sign since 1914 and world conditions have never looked more bleak. All the nations are in turmoil with their governments, revolts, failing economies, increasing crime, drug addiction, and poverty driven homelessness.
All that is needed is a global solution to a global problem and humans will welcome it. The trouble is, the devil will offer a mimic to God's Kingdom as the solution to man's problems......but there will never be a political solution according to the Bible. People will pin their hopes on the devil's fake solution, but it will lead to utter chaos. We are to be no part of this world for a reason.....it is controlled by the devil...it's god and ruler. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:19)

This is what we believe because we see it with our own eyes, and we are not fooled by the devil's attempts to mask the truth. Eyes of faith I guess.

Ummmm, with the exception of global warming, which endtimes Christians tend to deny, no.

Anyone that looks past news reports, which mostly cover what is going wrong, can quickly see that this is the most optimistic time in man's history.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Like I said...the devil is a great mimic. He sets people up to predict dates, days and hours, but when they lead to disappointment, it gives people a jaded attitude. His first effort is always to confuse people and mask the truth. He passes truth off as fiction, and fiction off as truth. Only a well educated Christian will see the difference.

We have all heard the many conspiracy theories and it is obvious that the majority of them are nonsense....BUT, there is some truth to others among the rubbish that get lumped in with the nonsense, so that all conspiracy theories then become nonsense to those with that jaded attitude. The truth is hidden like a diamond in a pile of broken glass.

This is the devil's MO, so it should make us aware of what he is up to, and not ignore the clear sign that Jesus gave us to indicate when this period in history would begin. No one knows when it will end, but we shouldn't be lulled into complacency.

So why are you so sure it's NOW?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The signs do not have to increase, they just all have to be manifest in plain sight during one specific period of time. We are seeing all the features of the sign since 1914 and world conditions have never looked more bleak. All the nations are in turmoil with their governments, revolts, failing economies, increasing crime, drug addiction, and poverty driven homelessness.
All that is needed is a global solution to a global problem and humans will welcome it. The trouble is, the devil will offer a mimic to God's Kingdom as the solution to man's problems......but there will never be a political solution according to the Bible. People will pin their hopes on the devil's fake solution, but it will lead to utter chaos. We are to be no part of this world for a reason.....it is controlled by the devil...it's god and ruler. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:19)

This is what we believe because we see it with our own eyes, and we are not fooled by the devil's attempts to mask the truth. Eyes of faith I guess.

See, this is the thing I find most troubling about Rapture style eschatology. You guys are set up to believe any potential solution to global problems, let alone world peace, is actually bad! What sort of chance does that give us?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The signs do not have to increase,
.

But hang on, wasn't that the entire point of the OP?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

see, that's not evidence of anything increasing. I say again, sure, there's plenty of bad stuff happening, but there's ALWAYS been bad stuff happening. What makes you think any of the bad stuff happening now is any more significant than anything previously?

As Prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 and the material unfoldment is the result.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So you do not even understand the concept of evidence. No wonder you are confused. When it comes to violence, the world is better off now than it was in the past. The reason that it does not seem that way on the news is that violence is more interesting than peace. This website makes it obvious:

The Visual History of Decreasing War and Violence

Here is the graph on the page that I linked:

Well I would agree evidence needs to be considered. We each have to search that for ourselves.

I can only give pointers to what I have found.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Le'ts look at deaths from wars:

Oh, looky there. once again deaths are down not up. Deaths from war peaked at WWII, deaths per 100.000 people are at an all time low.

It was 1844 to 1893 that all the governments and.peoples of the world were warned that all Nations had to disarm and unite.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

See, this is the thing I find most troubling about Rapture style eschatology. You guys are set up to believe any potential solution to global problems, let alone world peace, is actually bad! What sort of chance does that give us?

The solution has been ignored. It was given in the 1800's.

What else can be done but to mention it again? In 1986 the entired world again was shown the way when this was distributed to all governments and all countries.

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Promise of World Peace, Pages 1-3

Please note, I force this on no person, I leave it to all if you consider it can be the solution, or not the solution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well I would agree evidence needs to be considered. We each have to search that for ourselves.

I can only give pointers to what I have found.

Regards Tony

Once again, that only appears to be confirmation bias. When the actual statistics are checked the claims are found to be false.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was 1844 to 1893 that all the governments and.peoples of the world were warned that all Nations had to disarm and unite.

Regards Tony

So what? Nothing new there. Reinterpreting after the fact is useless when it comes to prophecy. That is an indication that it was a failed prophecy from the beginning.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Once again, that only appears to be confirmation bias. When the actual statistics are checked the claims are found to be false.

That will depend entirely on the foundation you use to consider all these issues.

But I am happy for you to see it how you choose to, I am not here to force any new frame of references upon you.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So what? Nothing new there. Reinterpreting after the fact is useless when it comes to prophecy. That is an indication that it was a failed prophecy from the beginning.

That is how you choose to see it. I am happy to leave it at that, unless of course you wish to ask more.

Regards Tony

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

As Prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 and the material unfoldment is the result.

Regards Tony

The evidence of the prophecy being fulfilled is that the prophecy was fulfilled? How very circular.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The solution has been ignored. It was given in the 1800's.

What else can be done but to mention it again? In 1986 the entired world again was shown the way when this was distributed to all governments and all countries.

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Promise of World Peace, Pages 1-3

Please note, I force this on no person, I leave it to all if you consider it can be the solution, or not the solution.

Uh-huh.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That will depend entirely on the foundation you use to consider all these issues.

But I am happy for you to see it how you choose to, I am not here to force any new frame of references upon you.

Regards Tony

I don't know about you, but I base my foundation on reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is how you choose to see it. I am happy to leave it at that, unless of course you wish to ask more.

Regards Tony

No, you have failed sufficiently for me.

 

[Deeje]

Then we get to look at Mt Carmel which is promised to be bathed by the 'Glory of the Lord'

We get to consider a New Jerusalem and the law going out from Zion.

We see nothing applying to literal Israel not physically or geographically....
"New Jerusalem" is seen coming down from heaven with Jesus and his "bride" of co-rulers. These will rule redeemed "mankind" forever removing the cause of all suffering and death.....sin.

Revelation 21-1-4....
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

"New Jerusalem" has nothing to do with the old city of Jerusalem, which was a prototype, just as the temple was, picturing heavenly things.