There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[Serenity7855]

Seris got a new friend. He wasn't here long enough to see what you're like

Or you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, yes you have.



In post 3719 you wrote the following "Then maybe you need to understand that other people have asked many of these questions and have found errors and faults with it. You seem to be upset with the very idea of discussing them." Where in that post have you given any kind of answer?

Read the post you wrote, to which it was a response.

You could try, but all you will do is take my words out of context and misrepresent me. I will have to then put them back into context and expose your trickery.

Why thank you for staying true to form.

Where, or is this yet another baseless assertion of yours.

Indubitably


And what does that mean. Can you not see how puerile and intellectually redundant this statement is. This is a forum whose members are either theists or non-believer. Of course you are not the only one who looks for excuses to offend and denigrate. There are plenty here of your persuasion that will side with you even if you are out of order. I am not the first Christian here to pick up on your caustic and virulent post either. It works both ways.

Who was that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Go to Google and type in the words "is the UK or USA in moral decline" and you will find page upon page describing what you want to know.

Ya know, I've had this discussion with another Christian poster on this site, and when asked, he at least attempts to give an explanation. I respect that.

I'm currently speaking to a person who claims to be involved in some kind of survey measuring moral decline, so I'm asking that person how the people involved in this poll define and measure "moral decline" for the purpose of the survey. Googling "is the US in moral decline" isn't going to answer that.

 

[Serenity7855]

Read the post you wrote, to which it was a response.

Who was that?

You said it was in post 3719, not post 3718 or a combination of both. Normally I would not be so finicky, but it is you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You said it was in post 3719, not post 3718 or a combination of both. Normally I would not be so finicky, but it is you.

You:
That is not how it works, as I have said, God cannot dwell in the presence of imperfection, however, the Holy Ghost is a spirit so he can dwell with imperfection. The draw back there is that the Holy Ghost is an influence that fills the emencity of space. Those who live a Christ centred life and are sufficiently worthy can tap into that influence like tapping into a quantum sub-automic field. This goes even deeper, however, I doubt whether you can comprehend this let alone the deeper doctrines of God. So, Moses would have fasted and prayed putting before God, via the influence of the Holy Ghost, his plan or the laws that he had devised. He would have received either a swelling of the bosom and a confirmatory feeling sanctioning his proposal. If the answer is no, then he would have received a stupor of thought. The crucial part of this process is what Moses does with the information he receives. What ever he does must be his choice as God cannot intervene he can only influence. There has to be total free agency or the entire plan of salvation fails. At the end of the day it is the decision of Moses. The plan of Redemption is a perfect plan. It cannot be faulted. I have tried hard but failed. So knock yourself out trying, you will never ever succeed. Sorry for the arrogance but I have asked many of these question and have never found a single error or fault.


Me:
Then maybe you need to understand that other people have asked many of these questions and have found errors and faults with it. You seem to be upset with the very idea of discussing them.

 

[Iti oj]

I'm going to call you Hermey from now on.

Now say ahhh!

 

[Serenity7855]

Ya know, I've had this discussion with another Christian poster on this site, and when asked, he at least attempts to give an explanation. I respect that.

I do not require your respect.

I'm currently speaking to a person who claims to be involved in some kind of survey measuring moral decline, so I'm asking that person how the people involved in this poll define and measure "moral decline" for the purpose of the survey. Googling "is the US in moral decline" isn't going to answer that.

Well, I have no intentions of getting into that with you. It would take very little brushing up on but I have made no mention of the moral decline of the UK. I said that our government consider that we live, in what they call, a broken Britain, highlighted by the riots we had here by kids. We did a survey for them to ascertain how quickly they could turn things around and reintroduce religious worship in our schools. We never measured morality we measures the effects of suggestion.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What you are doing is what is called being ridiculously offensive.

What have I said that you take offense to? All I did was explain why your reaction was defensive, and the simple fact that the whole point of forums is open - not private - discussion. What about those two things is "offensive" to you, exactly?

What they did was interject themselves into a discourse between two people when they had no idea what those two people had been discussing early on so as to then interject their two uninformed cents.

Continuing to be ridiculously defensive is not evidence against the claim that you are being ridiculously defensive.

And now what is being done is that absurd butting in is snowballing as other board bullies take that as an opportunity to point and say: See? That's what theists do!
While failing to realize as atheists they're showing everyone what they're about.

Being ignorant and making bigoted statements doesn't help either. Deal with the issues that are raised, and stop whining about the fact that this is an open forum. I saw nothing in their post whatsoever that deserved your disrespectful, insulting and dismissive attitude.

I'll make it really simple for you and your kind who have jumped on Orb's bandwagon.

Add "patronizing" to the above list of adjectives.

Yes, it's an open board. That doesn't mean you violate the common decency that is afforded conversation between two people.

There is no such thing as a "private conversation" in an OPEN FORUM. That's the whole point! If you want a private conversation where nobody can interfere, go into private messages.

Especially when you don't know what the hell those two people are talking about but you just want to vomit something into the discourse after you've picked a side.

All they did was ask you a simple couple of questions, and you reacted like they just spat in your face. You clearly blew things out of proportion and reacted with incredible defensiveness to a harmless interjection.

And it should be noted, compound the offense by refusing to go back and even try to catch up on what those two people were saying so as to come in now as you interject yourself into something that is no different than it was for Orb, i.e. not your business, and make personal attacks, get defensive in Orb's name, and still show you don't know what you're talking about.

I find it hilarious that you accuse me of personal attacks and getting defensive. Especially when you immediately follow this up with:

Clear? Good. As I said, moving on. Pick on someone else if you need to feed your attention being an offensive dolt.

You are now in breach of forum rules and have proven yourself an ignorant, bigoted hypocrite to boot! Congratulations!

So, in review, the best way to not look like an overly-sensitive, bigoted, and defensive individual is NOT to insult the people who ask you questions on an open forum, call them names, behave in an arrogant and pompous manner and then dismiss their opinions without any given thought or reason.

I strongly suggest you get a grip.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I do not require your respect.



Well, I have no intentions of getting into that with you. It would take very little brushing up on but I have made no mention of the moral decline of the UK. I said that our government consider that we live, in what they call, a broken Britain, highlighted by the riots we had here by kids. We did a survey for them to ascertain how quickly they could turn things around and reintroduce religious worship in our schools. We never measured morality we measures the effects of suggestion.

Okay, well you said this:

It was a part of a survey I did. I never mix work with my social life. I am sure that if the technique were used on my friends that it would work, however, I am not altogether convinced that it is ethical. It is a part of a program by our government to determine whether the reintroduction of religion into our society might reduce the moral decline in our country. It works. I have seen it work. I just believe that it messes with free agency by planting a purpose built seed into the brain that has a rapid growth.



What I wanted to know was how you define the term you used, which was "moral decline." If you're talking about reducing moral decline, then there must be something it's being compared to, or some way to measure it.

But now you say you measured the effects of suggestion? What do you mean by that?

Or, if you cannot or will not answer my sincere questions, then can you direct me to a link or something where I can read about this survey for myself?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Seris got a new friend. He wasn't here long enough to see what you're like

You might be surprised...
I would simply suggest what I was trying to get out of this thread was not the same as whatever you guys are trying to get out of it.

I lurk in a lot of these longer threads due to the Admin thing. Occasionally whilst lurking, something will prick my interest. I'm not interested in the entirety of the thread.

 

[Iti oj]

Another thing that makes me a militant atheist is the Christians claim of moral high ground, while defending genocide, rape, and the murder of children, regardless of whether it was God or his prophet.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Another thing that makes me a militant atheist is the Christians claim of moral high ground, while defending genocide, rape, and the murder of children, regardless of whether it was God or his prophet.

I'm definitely in that camp along with you.

 

[Iti oj]

You might be surprised...
I would simply suggest what I was trying to get out of this thread was not the same as whatever you guys are trying to get out of it.

I lurk in a lot of these longer threads due to the Admin thing. Occasionally whilst lurking, something will prick my interest. I'm not interested in the entirety of the thread.

I lurk a lot to. I got sucked into this thread unintentionally.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Occasionally whilst lurking, something will prick my interest. I'm not interested in the entirety of the thread.

Good for you mate the topic title is 'There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists' and neither side can prove it either way, so the debate is tied 50-50.
Basically, either somebody put this there in space, or else it just happened to form there by random chance; people can take their pick..

"God hangs the earth on nothing" (Job 26:7)

 

[Iti oj]

Good for you mate the topic title is 'There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists' and neither side can prove it either way, so the debate is tied 50-50.
Basically, either somebody put this there in space, or else it just happened to form there by random chance; people can take their pick.]

Not all opinions are created equally. Its not a 50 50 chance.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Not all opinions are created equally. Its not a 50 50 chance.

Well, God seems to have had something to do with it, maybe we should think 'Genesis Project'..

"God made the worlds.." (Hebrews 11:3 KJV)
"God formed the Earth to be inhabited" (Isaiah 45:18 )
God said:-"Every animal of the forest is MINE,and the cattle on a thousand hills.I know every bird in the mountains,
and the creatures of the field are MINE, for the world is MINE, and all that is in it" (Psalm 50 10-12)

 

[adi2d]

Well, God seems to have a stake in it, think 'Genesis Project'..

"God made the worlds.." (Hebrews 11:3 KJV)
"God formed the Earth to be inhabited" (Isaiah 45:18 )
God said:-"Every animal of the forest is MINE,and the cattle on a thousand hills.I know every bird in the mountains,
and the creatures of the field are MINE, for the world is MINE, and all that is in it" (Psalm 50 10-12)

Now that is a great piece of evidence. Is this picture from nasa? It would be great if you would show some documentation that this wasn't,oh idont know,photoshopped or something

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Another thing that makes me a militant atheist is the Christians claim of moral high ground, while defending genocide, rape, and the murder of children, regardless of whether it was God or his prophet.

I don't think i've ever known a Christian who backs nasty stuff like that mate.
As for moral high ground, the Jehovah's Witness cult let each other die for want of blood transfusions, but you atheists would never let your loved ones die, so that puts you WAAAY higher than them on the moral scale..

And Hindus operate the wretched 'caste system' which believe ordinary people should stay in the gutter, but you atheists don't believe that, so that puts you WAAAY above Hindus too..

PS- There are plenty of other crackpots religions out there, and atheists are WAAAY above all of them too..

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I don't think i've ever known a Christian who backs nasty stuff like that mate.
As for moral high ground, the Jehovah's Witness cult let each other die for want of blood transfusions, but you atheists would never let your loved ones die, so that puts you WAAAY higher than them on the moral scale..

Ignoring the fact that treating atheists as a cohesive group is a mistake (as comparison...are theists a cohesive group?) there are plenty of atheists, myself included, who WOULD let our loved ones die, in certain circumstances. Atheism doesn't clash with euthanasia in the way some religions do. Which by no means indicates that atheists are universally in favour of it.

And Hindus operate the wretched 'caste system' which believe ordinary people should stay in the gutter, but you atheists don't believe that, so that puts you WAAAY above Hindus too..

I suspect you're being fascetious. Another few months I'll have your sense of humour figured out...lol
Anyway, it's entirely possible for an atheist to be classist/elitist. Some are even arrogant! Yes, I know this is hard to believe.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

[re 'Earth in Gods hands' pic] Now that is a great piece of evidence. Is this picture from nasa? It would be great if you would show some documentation that this wasn't,oh idont know,photoshopped or something

Well spotted mate, you don't miss a thing..