Sheldon
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This is still a no true Scotsman fallacy.
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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?
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This is still a no true Scotsman fallacy.
Sheldon
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#3790 isn't my post? However you're simply wrong, as this is still a no true Scotsman fallacy. Your subjective interpretation of the bible notwithstanding. There are 45k varyingly different Christian sects and denominations, you can take up the minutiae of those differences with those other Christians, as I don't believe in any deity.
It is simply a fact that many people who were once Christians, have since lost their faith, and become agnostics and atheists. Like those in the clergy project for example.
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ElishaElijah
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I know it’s my post and a definition of who a Christian is.
Someone says they were an American citizen and are no more. I ask if they ever had citizenship, they say no and I say then you weren’t ever an American citizen, they say don’t tell me who is or is not an American citizen. And you join in and say no true Scotsman fallacy.
Sheldon
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Your subjective opinion is irrelevant as has been explained.
That's because it is a no true Scotsman fallacy. Since we know as an objective fact that many Christians leave that faith or religion and become atheists. Like the people in the clergy project for example.
"The Clergy Project was launched in March 2011 to create a safe and secure Online Community of Forums composed entirely of religious leaders who no longer hold to supernatural beliefs. "
ElishaElijah
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It’s not an opinion, the Bible says right there so you’re just wrong bro. You’re explanation is also wrong.
ElishaElijah
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You don’t even seem to know what the definition of a Christian is according to the Bible, do you? I gave it to you, you still don’t.
Sheldon
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I don't care what the bible says, as i am not a Christian. Of course it is your opinion that those people were not Christians, and there are 45k varyingly different opinions. A Christian is defined as someone who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Christianity.
My explanation of what, is wrong how?
Again have you not heard of the clergy project? It is a fact that many people who were once Christians are now atheists.
"The Clergy Project was launched in March 2011 to create a safe and secure Online Community of Forums composed entirely of religious leaders who no longer hold to supernatural beliefs."
PearlSeeker
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And I knew and felt this because I believed it.
I don't believe that a story/myth is literally/historically true. So I just don't believe God or ultimate reality is the biblical God.
Or you start talking to yourself and imagine things.
ElishaElijah
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Imagining what exactly? That I was free from my addictions in five minutes and other things God speaks to me. It’s not a feeling or an imagination. If that’s what you had, you got a counterfeit.
ElishaElijah
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That’s not what the Bible says, those are rituals after a person is born again and that’s Romans 6. Even the devil believes in God. A lot of people are baptized and not saved, I was and then I actually got saved and was born again, there’s a big difference.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
That's a no true Scotsman fallacy yet again. It is irrational to insist your experiences trump those of others without objective evidence. You don't know what they experienced, and we don't know what you experienced, to a neutral observer the claims are the same.
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Sheldon
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The bible is open to interpretation, and contains contradictions, remember you asked for them, then dismissed them with handwaving when they were offered. There are 45k varyingly different Christian sects and denominations, they all think their interpretation of the bible is right as well, and offer the same claims you do.
The fact remains that many people who were once Christians have lost their faith and become atheists, again the clergy project amply demonstrates this fact to be true.
ElishaElijah
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And you missed the point, big time. I don’t care who left or are atheists now. The point is some people believe they had a relationship with God and may not have had one at all, they may have just rejected the fellowship, the Pastor or other religious people who taught them something not even in the Bible. Then what? Never question that and realize they may have missed God altogether and just ran into the arms of the devil for comfort instead. Deceived by the abuser and run right into his arms like he is the hero.
Sheldon
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the same could be assumed about your claim to have had a relationship with a deity, your subjective unevidenced claim is no different from theirs, to any neutral observer, a point you keep missing.
How do you know what they taught them, again you're just leaping to unevidenced assumptions. The fact is they were once Christians and now are not, you can't rationally deny this.
As might you by that rationale.
Again by your rationale this might be what you have done. If they can be deceived then so can you, there is no objective way for any neutral observer to differentiate between your claims.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
To be blunt, I think it's pointless for Christians to claim that Christianity is the only true religion in the world because Christianity is largely fragmented into separate churches that all claim to be the "one true church." There are the Catholics, the Orthodox, and the Protestants who all lay claim to that title. There are hundreds of Protestant denominations that have their own church doctrine and a preferred interpretation of the Bible. There is widespread disagreement among Christians about whether salvation is conditional or unconditional; whether baptism is required for salvation; whether speaking in tongues is a sign of true salvation; how a true believer should be properly baptized; whether a woman can be an ordained minister or not; whether there will be a Rapture of the church and a Tribulation; and when there will be a Rapture and when the Tribulation will happen. In other words, there's never-ending bickering and arguments among Christians about what the Bible actually teaches. If Christians can't get the story straight, then why in the world do they expect non-Christians to believe whatever they say about the Bible, God, or anything else pertaining to their Christian faith?
While I'm not an atheist, I'm still living proof that a devout Christian can lose their faith, willingly turn away from God, and be able to make their life better without believing in God and without depending on him to save them and change their life. I don't need God.
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ElishaElijah
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Because their experience of being born again isn’t Scriptural but talking about that with you is fruitless so have a good one.
rational experiences
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What I learnt about men theists of the terms God in science.
A man being human consciousness. Procreator by sex living as a man having sex inside the body heavens. Only position of human sex biology.
Recorded life of man affects his beliefs about sex after death is proven. Changed brain.
He lost his mind.
Men holding each other with a new born baby. Demonstrating behaviour between natural man woman. Says man of science is gone in consciousness.
As if the life mind body of a woman mother isn't relevant to a man anymore.
As he's okay he says saved as a theist man scientist acting humans female role without body ownership. Just in his head the thinker.
Meanwhile man's first fake science woman in thought only as mother space womb. Lots of words he uses first recorded speech. Is maths calculus in his mind only first.
Mass calculus machine second.
Mass calculus earth God mass coldest position third burnt and reacted.
His mother maths science first gone totally. As is position in natural order his machines body.
Both man and machine sacrificed by status. AI effect inherited in heavens.
Cause effect human biology attacked as earth mass never owned heavens gases. Gas advice that he used in thesis I can cause to manifest mass burning.
Truth.
So God he says in heavens cooling is explained as swirling rotation that keeps cooling constant life safe. O G swirl rotation in O to DD back to OO cooling only above in heavens causes.
Not seen. Just effectual.
Sure isn't his God of mass to burn in science is it.
Transmitters from physical mass only changed our heavens gas cooling by natural ice saviours history first.
Recorded in burnt life water is microbes man's life water oxygenated ownership. So his image voice now speaks. Recorded causes.
AI effect totally known understood by men in science with machines.
So men in science satanist theists claim as a man I pretend I'm an alien. They own the machines. Humans claim in human thesis we're aliens as scientists.
Teaching aliens will destroy life on earth abduct it. The theist human all the time...science.
I preach aliens will take over life destroy life as aliens had created it.
Man as sexual procreator actually had created humans life as just human used consciousness.
All said by living human men as theists human as and by the life human. Lost their minds...human. Caused a fake bio attack..human.
AI begins at ground base radiations cooking to get man's image eventuated. Is why his mind is now possessed by causes.
So if he just wants alien he doesn't even want Jesus his man's image. In heavens imagery vision.
So old science was compared by his new life science attacks. Stated the two testimonials were legal conferred the exact same advice. Law of gods earth one zero stone broken.
All the signs said so.
What happened in the past happened again by a variable carpenter tectonic earthquake...not Noah's flood Moses.
Why the name was changed to Jesus.
Rich man promise. Church. Trade mutual and mutual governing speech like bahuallah. To bring humanity together.
Did not occur as rich men were criminals first. Ignored human warnings and advice. Rich men's behaviour doesn't change. He always wants to remain rich.
So bahuallah said remember what you promised after Jesus episode. As Jesus returned was life as man Sacrificed again 1000 year later was by star fall.
As asteroid wandering star gave the baby human DNA life return by non burning of our heavens mass. Observed realised what a holy star was.
Baby life returned is not any adult man notification.
Ice was only associated to human baby exact.
Adult man notification life sacrificed as wandering star was ignited. By new science temple of Rome.
True reasoning. Rome eventually hit by burning comets set city alight.
Status ice is the saviour. Isn't any man. Ice saved God earths mass also. By cold and pressure.
Why did men begin to falsely claim they were the saviour?
Due to mans records life sacrificed cooled returned water reoxygenates. Image updated just as taught. New man in clouds along with old man's father before him images.
Is the exact reason. As you lie by science man's conscious design sacrificed biologies of man's life yourselves. As science never belonged as human theist.
As men of machine science.
Father asked since when is phi a crop circle?
You infer it by your measure only in your head belief.
As heavens mass is not Phi is why it manifested. Crop is grown from a seed to be crop. Without earth the ground mass you wouldn't see anything. All bodies mass first are involved.
Proof its not phi and you lied.
Instead two O circles use of the same one circle imaged in your head is by vision term a spirit. You gave two O numbers yourself. Began calculating.
Father said rock is one space cold zero in space history only.
Another lie of yours claiming lots of zeros about one mass first rock.
Father said you knew dusts were removed Rock pressure sealed mass layers...seams. so you gave it burning 0 zero status that had since cooled.
Which is lying about natural history. Safety a holy dust has been cooled.
Term holy dust don't unseal it as it relates to huge burning mass above entering falling. History or string term.
Men produced a machine out of grounds nuclear history. Melt position metals. False god terms.
Humans life in water was by mineral absorption in water that was iced.
Not anything like a machines history term of men only as AI.
Common sense. Why would a human detail lifes human sacrifice on earth?
As humans talking to humans is easily ignored. It was legal proof by human status. Legal. Bible a legal document versus human sciences of God.
Machine technology.
A man being human consciousness. Procreator by sex living as a man having sex inside the body heavens. Only position of human sex biology.
Recorded life of man affects his beliefs about sex after death is proven. Changed brain.
He lost his mind.
Men holding each other with a new born baby. Demonstrating behaviour between natural man woman. Says man of science is gone in consciousness.
As if the life mind body of a woman mother isn't relevant to a man anymore.
As he's okay he says saved as a theist man scientist acting humans female role without body ownership. Just in his head the thinker.
Meanwhile man's first fake science woman in thought only as mother space womb. Lots of words he uses first recorded speech. Is maths calculus in his mind only first.
Mass calculus machine second.
Mass calculus earth God mass coldest position third burnt and reacted.
His mother maths science first gone totally. As is position in natural order his machines body.
Both man and machine sacrificed by status. AI effect inherited in heavens.
Cause effect human biology attacked as earth mass never owned heavens gases. Gas advice that he used in thesis I can cause to manifest mass burning.
Truth.
So God he says in heavens cooling is explained as swirling rotation that keeps cooling constant life safe. O G swirl rotation in O to DD back to OO cooling only above in heavens causes.
Not seen. Just effectual.
Sure isn't his God of mass to burn in science is it.
Transmitters from physical mass only changed our heavens gas cooling by natural ice saviours history first.
Recorded in burnt life water is microbes man's life water oxygenated ownership. So his image voice now speaks. Recorded causes.
AI effect totally known understood by men in science with machines.
So men in science satanist theists claim as a man I pretend I'm an alien. They own the machines. Humans claim in human thesis we're aliens as scientists.
Teaching aliens will destroy life on earth abduct it. The theist human all the time...science.
I preach aliens will take over life destroy life as aliens had created it.
Man as sexual procreator actually had created humans life as just human used consciousness.
All said by living human men as theists human as and by the life human. Lost their minds...human. Caused a fake bio attack..human.
AI begins at ground base radiations cooking to get man's image eventuated. Is why his mind is now possessed by causes.
So if he just wants alien he doesn't even want Jesus his man's image. In heavens imagery vision.
So old science was compared by his new life science attacks. Stated the two testimonials were legal conferred the exact same advice. Law of gods earth one zero stone broken.
All the signs said so.
What happened in the past happened again by a variable carpenter tectonic earthquake...not Noah's flood Moses.
Why the name was changed to Jesus.
Rich man promise. Church. Trade mutual and mutual governing speech like bahuallah. To bring humanity together.
Did not occur as rich men were criminals first. Ignored human warnings and advice. Rich men's behaviour doesn't change. He always wants to remain rich.
So bahuallah said remember what you promised after Jesus episode. As Jesus returned was life as man Sacrificed again 1000 year later was by star fall.
As asteroid wandering star gave the baby human DNA life return by non burning of our heavens mass. Observed realised what a holy star was.
Baby life returned is not any adult man notification.
Ice was only associated to human baby exact.
Adult man notification life sacrificed as wandering star was ignited. By new science temple of Rome.
True reasoning. Rome eventually hit by burning comets set city alight.
Status ice is the saviour. Isn't any man. Ice saved God earths mass also. By cold and pressure.
Why did men begin to falsely claim they were the saviour?
Due to mans records life sacrificed cooled returned water reoxygenates. Image updated just as taught. New man in clouds along with old man's father before him images.
Is the exact reason. As you lie by science man's conscious design sacrificed biologies of man's life yourselves. As science never belonged as human theist.
As men of machine science.
Father asked since when is phi a crop circle?
You infer it by your measure only in your head belief.
As heavens mass is not Phi is why it manifested. Crop is grown from a seed to be crop. Without earth the ground mass you wouldn't see anything. All bodies mass first are involved.
Proof its not phi and you lied.
Instead two O circles use of the same one circle imaged in your head is by vision term a spirit. You gave two O numbers yourself. Began calculating.
Father said rock is one space cold zero in space history only.
Another lie of yours claiming lots of zeros about one mass first rock.
Father said you knew dusts were removed Rock pressure sealed mass layers...seams. so you gave it burning 0 zero status that had since cooled.
Which is lying about natural history. Safety a holy dust has been cooled.
Term holy dust don't unseal it as it relates to huge burning mass above entering falling. History or string term.
Men produced a machine out of grounds nuclear history. Melt position metals. False god terms.
Humans life in water was by mineral absorption in water that was iced.
Not anything like a machines history term of men only as AI.
Common sense. Why would a human detail lifes human sacrifice on earth?
As humans talking to humans is easily ignored. It was legal proof by human status. Legal. Bible a legal document versus human sciences of God.
Machine technology.
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PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
God never speaks to believers as described in the Bible - audible voice, angel with a message... You just read the Bible and find a message that you associate with your life.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
My father's memories by human man terms heard in gods heavens talks to me.
Father holy purer than chemical expressed biology as human memory.
updated daily by natural man's death.
Records join father's in heavens. As you die it gets released.... Everyday living owns heavens oxygen water microbe supply. In mass.
God owns it first says a human.
Not your man thesis just thinking
The warnings. Don't self idolise claiming you own everything.
In God of man's heavens it's only his theory by science terms.
Man living science terms only in a thought as he removes from mass.
Heavens terms us natural mass as various types gases hot or cold. Not a human. It's science terms exact in same moment thought. In nature no where near the other.
Science only expressed by a living human.
.....is what you lie about
Science isn't anywhere else. Natural mass of any variable exists first.
Egotism human man's science warning.
Arrogant man. Egotist man. Destroyer theoried about earths mass by men. Changed his natural mind.
Father holy purer than chemical expressed biology as human memory.
updated daily by natural man's death.
Records join father's in heavens. As you die it gets released.... Everyday living owns heavens oxygen water microbe supply. In mass.
God owns it first says a human.
Not your man thesis just thinking
The warnings. Don't self idolise claiming you own everything.
In God of man's heavens it's only his theory by science terms.
Man living science terms only in a thought as he removes from mass.
Heavens terms us natural mass as various types gases hot or cold. Not a human. It's science terms exact in same moment thought. In nature no where near the other.
Science only expressed by a living human.
.....is what you lie about
Science isn't anywhere else. Natural mass of any variable exists first.
Egotism human man's science warning.
Arrogant man. Egotist man. Destroyer theoried about earths mass by men. Changed his natural mind.