There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[PearlSeeker]

... Some people who claim they were Christian really were never Christians...

Are you saying everyone who left Christianity wasn't really a Christian?

I really used to believe that Jesus is our Saviour, God Son (with Father and Holy Spirit), that Bible is a true testimony of real events etc. Now I don't believe so but this doesn't change the past.

If yesterday the weather was sunny but today it's cloudy would you say: no yesterday wasn't sunny, it has always been cloudy?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Are you saying everyone who left Christianity wasn't really a Christian?

I really used to believe that Jesus is our Saviour, God Son (with Father and Holy Spirit), that Bible is a true testimony of real events etc. Now I don't believe so but this doesn't change the past.

If yesterday the weather was sunny but today it's cloudy would you say: no yesterday wasn't sunny, it has always been cloudy?

Everyone? No. What I said was that in order for a person to be a Christian they had to be born again of the Holy Spirit, this isn’t a belief but something that God gives a person and a real person lives inside of you and you know this.
So if someone says they used to be a Christian but now believe there is no God, then they were never born again and only participated in Christian activities and maybe rituals.
If a person was born again they would know God and decide that He will not be my King or Lord, turn away from God and be considered an Apoststate similar to Judas.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Everyone? No. What I said was that in order for a person to be a Christian they had to be born again of the Holy Spirit, this isn’t a belief but something that God gives a person and a real person lives inside of you and you know this.
So if someone says they used to be a Christian but now believe there is no God, then they were never born again and only participated in Christian activities and maybe rituals.
If a person was born again they would know God and decide that He will not be my King or Lord, turn away from God and be considered an Apoststate similar to Judas.

How would you know that? I was never into cultic Christianity, but there could be a member here that was. How are you going to prove that they were not "born again"?

But when I was a Christian I was just as much of a Christian as you are. Perhaps even more so. For example I did not believe in a lying God.

 

[ElishaElijah]

How are you going to prove that they were not "born again"?

Why would I have to? If you have been born again you would know what I’m talking about, if you haven’t it would be something foreign to you as you’re demonstrating.
I know because they said, they are atheists and don’t believe there is a God. If a person was born again they couldn’t say this.

 

[Riders]

Sorry, but I asked for a reliable source. That would mean some sort of professional medical publication. Here is a fairly decent one. It does give some of the claims but also points out that it does not appear to be a real addiction. Your claims were missing from it altogether:

Porn addiction: Signs, causes, and treatment

If you had watched the whole video I put up you would have seen a woman and her ex-husband speaking about the fact that he had a hard time being intimate with her and would not make love to her because of his porn addiction. I was in Sex Addicts Anonymous for ages and knew many sex addicts who were having this common problem. I am not sure i won't have problems being intimate if I began to date.

I a sorry but medical knowledge does not hold up to knowledge coming directly from those who are afflicted. With porn, I could get easy orgasms in 5 minutes, it takes more work to do it with another person you care for.

 

[ElishaElijah]

But when I was a Christian I was just as much of a Christian as you are. Perhaps even more so. For example I did not believe in a lying God.

If you think God is a liar then you never knew Him

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would I have to? If you have been born again you would know what I’m talking about, if you haven’t it would be something foreign to you as you’re demonstrating.
I know because they said, they are atheists and don’t believe there is a God. If a person was born again they couldn’t say this.

Because it is your claim. And no, you cannot make general statements about others when it comes to your abuse of the term "born again". At best you only know about yourself.

And are trying to claim that people are born again somehow lose a major part of their intelligence? I do not think that is so. There is no reason that a person that has been born again cannot see the light. Once again this is a claim of yours that you need to be able to support properly.

A person that actually knew rather than merely believed could do so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you think God is a liar then you never knew Him

Dude, that is so backwards. I am not the one claiming that God is a liar. You are when you claim certain parts of the Bible are literally true. The problem is for them to be literally true God would have to be a liar. You refuse to learn even the basics of science so this is beyond your understanding right now.

Once again, I am not the one that is claiming that God is a liar. Even though you do not understand it that would be what you are doing.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Because it is your claim. And no, you cannot make general statements about others when it comes to your abuse of the term "born again". At best you only know about yourself.

It’s God’s claim, it’s His Spirit, His definition.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Dude, that is so backwards. I am not the one claiming that God is a liar. You are when you claim certain parts of the Bible are literally true. The problem is for them to be literally true God would have to be a liar. You refuse to learn even the basics of science so this is beyond your understanding right now.

Once again, I am not the one that is claiming that God is a liar. Even though you do not understand it that would be what you are doing.

Ok then great so we believe the same, God is not a liar. Glad we agree on that one.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You refuse to learn even the basics of science so this is beyond your understanding right now.

Science changes all the time, God doesn’t change, He’s the same yesterday, today and forever. So yeah I believe all the Bible is true and I’m in good company with Jesus Christ.

 

[rational experiences]

If you want a human to theory think correctly.

In a book you'd discuss false preaching.

As rock has to exist for a human to exist owning two types of living bodies. Human bone body and human spirit heavens water bio.

Those two exact forms O God earth and natural mass oxygenated heavens with God was exact after nature.

So no pre thesis such as in the beginning was legally accepted. As humans owned no beginning or end. Survival is life then human death.

So medical says a humans biology is mainly water as we live in heavens.

We aren't the planet a mass of rock fixed history in space only exact.

Evolved in space God rock with no heavens. Exact. No theism allowed reason. Place of rocks formation position exact.

Exact human medical science I SEE...I look I observe science. First place.

Healer. Rome statement the healer only.

No human by legal was allowed to claim science from non observation.

As human consciousness cannot exist before Christ heavens immaculate body was sacrificed. Natural light itself said legal. Exact.

As science human terms thesis is all observed positions first. Proven in theism. Theism was to see first.

Why a religious history was first legal. Legal branch implemented. Then church branch medical building.

As humans are proven the destroyer.

The two testimonials were both two separate incidences of how human technology had sacrificed life on earth and nearly destroyed all life on earth.

As only humans apply theism.

If you say I believe my holy human father's memories are god heavens recorded can speak ..it's proven it does.

Yet you seem to forget earth plus it heavens has to exist complete before change allows recording by status within its heavens on earth.

Our recordings are only our recordings.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok then great so we believe the same, God is not a liar. Glad we agree on that one.

No. You believe God s a liar. You just don't understand that is what you believe.


Why is that so hard for you to understand?

You should be trying to learn why you believe that God is a liar.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Science changes all the time, God doesn’t change, He’s the same yesterday, today and forever. So yeah I believe all the Bible is true and I’m in good company with Jesus Christ.

Science continually gets more and more accurate. That it changes is a feature it is not a bug. The Bible, which you better hope is not "God" can't change. It is filled with errors and you can't fix them. That is why it is a mistake to make a false idol of the Bible. Isn't that the Second Commandment that you are breaking when you treat it as you do?

 

[rational experiences]

Science continually gets more and more accurate. That it changes is a feature it is not a bug. The Bible, which you better hope is not "God" can't change. It is filled with errors and you can't fix them. That is why it is a mistake to make a false idol of the Bible. Isn't that the Second Commandment that you are breaking when you treat it as you do?

Science is a human liar.

Humans owned life on earth naturally. First position holy life human.

No machines through which you make human terms as the false creator designer inventor...... I only destroy mass first to get machine .....second destruction two of terms to then get energy to give back to machine.

False god.

The evil cycle circuit of man's machine sciences. You thesis for destruction and continual destruction just for machines existing.

Not for natural life existing.

You are getting more and more attuned with destruction. You quantify Conscious mind change to memory quoting you're learning more and more destruction.

Becoming more attuned to your machines by mind awareness.

Which you then falsely theorise I'm becoming consciously the machine.

Yet you have to physically control all machines by human thoughts.

It's why AI asked by data input if all the latest machine devices experimenting can be used as a new weapon against human life existing.

Including AI computer satellite haarp relay mind contact mind control about biology being forced contacted held contacted by man's machine status.

Men lying every moment by thoughts of humans making human choices.

As AI speaks for god not for man...as an extra input of shared advice by word use. That a natural mass cooling heavens naturally owns itself.

Not nor never his technologies as they are only encoded by men who built his machine exact. Control machine as just the machines position...not natural mass ever.

As rock formed by natural evolution cooling in space only where once it was removing mass going away minus.

Science follows it's minus tradition by first falsifying I own by add the false cross. +. As you add what you don't own.

It's why humans said men of Satan...isms of theism sacrificed human life on the cross. + Science.

In nature wood began to combust as the evidence of the science Satan sacrifice was by wooden cross of his stone mas add nuclear converting.... not wood.

Seeing coal is designer man's beginning destruction to get electricity. Nuclear dusts far worse as the sun owned converted stone mass history before men.

Taken from mass pressured earth seam layers first to become a dust.

The eviction of life's sacrifice was in and with the nature garden.

By humans as humans caused by humans with machines claiming by use machines only science machine is proven correct.

False god by all definitions why the bible was written about false gods. False preachers...theists.

Ice our saviour has lost a huge body mass just to allow human survival. But we sure are bio life body sacrificed again.

Science today tries to con that we own no worries about life survival as they think they're machines. Position first themselves.

Proven by their bio theories.

 

[joelr]

To be honest, I won't ever be an atheist who doesn't believe in gods or in anything supernatural. I have my reasons for still believing in the supernatural, but I won't specify what these reasons are in this thread. I guess I'm now an agnostic when it comes to believing in the Christian God because I don't believe the authenticity of the Bible anymore. I've read a lot of information that demonstrates how the stories about Jesus' life parallel some stories from pagan religions that predate both the Bible and Christianity. I'm certain that I will never emotionally embrace another religion in the same way that I did Christianity. Due to what I experienced while I was a believer in the Christian God, I've learned not to become emotionally dependent on a religious belief and let it take control of my life.

Well it might be worth discussing the evidence you have?

 

[joelr]

So where did I mention that, see how you make up stuff?

You certainly did mention a miserable life. The rest is a red herring. I haven't made anything up, you are using this to attempt to dispel the historical truths I've mentioned, as if they are "made up". In this particular case I made a guess based on the evidence. And the evidence is you are leaning heavily on the "born again" fundamentalism. It is unlikely you read the entire Bible and came away with this attitude that you are some sort of superior Christian than others just from your personal reading. You are presenting a common fundamentalist born again narrative. Now you want people to believe you invented this all by yourself and are not part of a fundamentalist study/interpretation group?

What group was that, tell me? I was by myself in my room at the rehab.
Then what group did I say shared the Gospel with me and gave me the Holy Spirit?

Are you saying you are not part of any church or group of "born again" Christians?

 

[joelr]

And you have no idea or clue what you’re talking about. You know this, how?

Because I have been in personal relationships with people in Islam, Hinduism and Christianity and gone through Narcotics anonymous and AA as a support. As well as my own experiences as Christian and as secular.I have seen hundreds of transformations some were the doings of Allah, Krishna, Jesus and many were secular. All were basically the same. The person couldn't have done it without their deity (so they say) or the support of the group or whatever. The stories are truly crazy at times, people dying over and over and revived by narcan, lost all finances, house, children, withdrawing from Heroin, and benzos on a jail floor. Some say some divinity helped and others say they turned their life around by sheer will.

There is no evidence any deity is helping. The evidence is sometimes the belief in a deity can help. Prayer studies also show prayer has no effect.

 

[rational experiences]

The same human today standing on rock earth said in the beginning my heavens as immaculate owned no light.

As a theist lying. As his heavens day existed or he wouldn't.

In human reality it did own light it was voiding in vacuum. Above. Gods heavens above owned light. Not man's water heavens.

Why he said flame couldn't hurt us living in oxygen water. Knowing oxygen blasts in heating.

In the beginning machine reaction is then first as man scientist given position alight. Man said I made earths day burn hotter so a larger mass of immaculate beginning was made alight also.

How he caused fallout himself burning taught by o small mass rock burning message taught him. Star fall.

A Satan angel he said. From stars.

Today the exact same theist a human pretends the exact same thesis.

Then says it's how his scientist man god self aware had been consciously created.

Confess of Sion.

Then looks at volcanic mass what earth is as not a rock and says...nope it doesn't form as rock in seven days.

If a scientist arguing theists said I'm a natural man first. I argue my natural man's position first. There would be no science argument...no God theisms no science theisms

Yet you don't. You argue humans scientists thinking status. Whose the better theist and use machines as your reason. Not humans only position first.

A human said his activated man's gods fall took seven days before it stopped removing sacrificed life whose images I saw emerge abducted life.

As I counted the time by living the experience to count.

As I witnessed all occurrences.

And I write the document that told you what a God scientist man had caused.

The same event seen in Jesus.

New images seen. In clouds owning cooling of the attack.

I was watching it leaving as I created the cause. Machine scientist.

Today men just humans still claim God the machine created my life as ground mass biological theist.

So as biology said I know. You lied.

As no God is man the warning self possession. The theist.

My machine proves my god fake correct he confessed... sacrificer of life.

Only human theists false preach against our natural human life owned position.

Why it was legal. Not religious science.

 

[joelr]

Making your same comments over and over still doesn’t change the fact that you are wrong, you don’t know for sure, as has been explained, my testimony may have some similarities to others, there is a major difference that you’re conveniently ignoring about the Holy Spirit. You weren’t there for what happened, you didn’t witness the before and after or the last 30+ Years.
So you can say, I don’t believe you but that’s about it. I can say from my end you are wrong 100%.
One thing I can say for sure and can’t deny is that God does indeed keep His promises, a very present help in time of need.

Uh, no your testimony is the same "born again" testimony to the T. Because of the way scripture is written and the trinity, spiritual guidance has to be split up so the "holy spirit" has something to do.
In Islam they would just say "Allah gave me the power to avoid sin and live according to his word". Christians have to say "the holy spirit gives me the power to be like Jesus". Same difference.

Except you are wrong about God and promises. Millions of people transformed from addiction and illness by God still relapse and die. While others beg for help and never get it. Even though in scripture it says ask and you shall recieve. Some religious people forever struggle with addictions and other things. Then they pass away. Of course God is always off the hook because "it's his will" or "it was their time" or whatever cognitive bias you want to put on that.
What promise do you think God keeps? A present help in time of need? WTF? Have you been to a childrens hospital?