There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[YoursTrue]

more atonement, or not?

Does the blood of animal sacrifices take away sin?
Yes
I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11
And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. Numbers 15:27-28

And one kid of the goats for a sin offering: to make an atonement for you. Numbers 29:5

No
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Hebrews 10:4
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. Hebrews 10:11


"paying for your sins" is the Jewish version of the popular Greek savior demigod. Judaism was obsessed with getting rid of this magic "sin-force" from your body. Usually done by sacrifice. What else would a man-made religion do?
The OT claims your a sinner by original sin and then when saviors became popular they wrote some fiction about one who fixes your sin problem for good.

So can you please say what you believe about this, because maybe I'm not reading it properly as you expressed it. I was thinking about this point regarding animals lately and sin offerings. So before I get into it more, if possible, what do you believe about this?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am a porn addict, many women are porn and sex addicts these days. As a member of a 12-step recovery program for porn and or sex, it is true there are many Christian male sex and or porn addicts. However, I think it's because there are a lot of Christians in America. There are a few good Christian guys not interested in porn. Porn issues can cause addiction to masturbation, a loss of interest in intimacy with your partner, sleeplessness, and a downturn in performance at work.

That may be possible, but I do not personally know of any men that would prefer porn to the real thing. Porn can spice up a love life, or even be instructional, once one realizes that the situations are all pure fantasy.

 

[YoursTrue]

You’re defending sexual immorality that Trump got slammed for, so did you also participate in the same trash talk among guys? I don’t know any guys in college or after that didn’t except for the Christian guys that we looked down on and made fun of who were “missing out”.
Yet they ended up with great families and successful, while I was in rehab, then I went back and worked for one and paid him back for money I owed him.

That's great you paid him back.

 

[YoursTrue]

Who says what’s immoral or moral? You? People had a problem with Trump yet live the same way and they condemn the guy, did you too?
It’s funny to me how any guy could say anything bad about Trump talking bad about women when in private among guys we trash talk and tell of our exploits, I did stop doing that many years ago because it is disgusting but to be part of that and pretend we weren’t and in front of women pretend we are so wonderful, caring, men when all we wanted was sex. Give me a break bro

Interesting point you bring up about who says what's moral or immoral. The Law of Moses helps to understand that. But then, you gotta believe or understand. (Not necessarily the same things.)

 

[Riders]

That may be possible, but I do not personally know of any men that would prefer porn to the real thing. Porn can spice up a love life, or even be instructional, once one realizes that the situations are all pure fantasy.

Porn addiction tears families apart. When a man or woman gets addicted to porn they masturbate and have climaxes really fast looking at it, it's fantasy not real.

Then many times when they're trying to have intimacy with their partner they might want to relive the porn scene, but real life isn't like that and when they can't make it happen as it does in their fantasy and porn scene, then they can't be intimate or have intercourse quite often.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Porn addiction tears families apart. When a man or woman gets addicted to porn they masturbate and have climaxes really fast looking at it, it's fantasy not real.

Then many times when they're trying to have intimacy with their partner they might want to relive the porn scene, but real life isn't like that and when they can't make it happen as it does in their fantasy and porn scene, then they can't be intimate or have intercourse quite often.

Do you have a reliable source that supports this claim? The opposite may be true. Porn may give men stamina. It is easy to make such claims all of the time, supporting them with valid sources is another matter. By the way, I will not accept Christian based or anti-porn sources. Find a neutral one that supports you.

 

[Riders]

This is a movie about porn addiction and explains the whole intimacy issue with porn addicts. When you are with a human instead of watching porn you have to please them and it's give and take you put in the work to have intimacy but with porn, it's a fantasy and you get used to having easy climaxes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is a movie about porn addiction and explains the whole intimacy issue with porn addicts. When you are with a human instead of watching porn you have to please them and it's give and take you put in the work to have intimacy but with porn, it's a fantasy and you get used to having easy climaxes.

Sorry, but I asked for a reliable source. That would mean some sort of professional medical publication. Here is a fairly decent one. It does give some of the claims but also points out that it does not appear to be a real addiction. Your claims were missing from it altogether:

Porn addiction: Signs, causes, and treatment

 

[ElishaElijah]

That's not what I said, I said that this change would not in itself validate the belief, I mean in any objective way of course, and this is demonstrated here, as you have returned to a subjective anecdotal claim. I have also pointed out that others make this claim for different religions and deities, and are just as convinced as you, of the validity of their beliefs based on their perception of that experience.

And that doesn’t mean much to me about what someone else’s testimony is, I wasn’t there to witness it. But when I talk to people who say they had an experience with God other than Jesus Christ there may sound similar in some fashion but what’s missing is the Holy Spirit, none have this from their god, the relationship is based on some following of rules and not a relationship with God where God makes a Covenant with us and also gives us His Spirit.

 

[joelr]

So can you please say what you believe about this, because maybe I'm not reading it properly as you expressed it. I was thinking about this point regarding animals lately and sin offerings. So before I get into it more, if possible, what do you believe about this?

The quotes from scripture are just an example of a contradiction.

This just summarizes how Judaism and Christianity used the savior myth and how dealing with sin evolved as they incorporated newer myths. In Judaism you had an annual sacrifice to rid the sin-force from your body. Once savior demigods became popular (and the temple was destroyed) this led to a one time magic blood sacrifice solution. The blood of animals only erases one year of sin-force. Blood from a savior son of God is good forever.

"paying for your sins" is the Jewish version of the popular Greek savior demigod. Judaism was obsessed with getting rid of this magic "sin-force" from your body. Usually done by sacrifice. What else would a man-made religion do?
The OT claims your a sinner by original sin and then when saviors became popular they wrote some fiction about one who fixes your sin problem for good.

 

[joelr]

From your perspective because you weren’t there, but from where I was what you’re suggesting is impossible. My belief and faith that God was there caused me to cry out to Him and He answered and delivered me. That’s what happened, you know how many times I prayed before that and that didn’t happen? Many times and this time He showed up, I didn’t ask why, I just wanted to know Him and kept seeking till I was introduced to Jesus Christ, repented and believed the Gospel and He gave me the Holy Spirit, He is real and that’s who I was looking for in all those other things. He satisfied me fully and I was changed. That’s what happened in summary.
So whether anyone accepts this or whatever is not my call or responsibility, but when someone says God doesn’t exist, well He does and this is my story.

That is the exact description of a psychological change brought on by belief in some religious fiction. It happens in all religions and cults. God does exist, in your mind, and the beliefs, images and expectations were the psychological push you needed.
You have not demonstrated anything outside of your mind.

 

[rational experiences]

We are all humans.

We all own psychic aware mind brain status.

Proven heavens feedback interference affects thinking and consciousness.

Everyone is affected.

Advice in thinking.

We say life supported on earth as living surviving after life losses by lived living humans is apportioned. Is not hurt sacrificed tortured physically or mentally...as it is with Gods greatest zero Rock of peace status.

Any body type a living human owns not yet harmed. As humans live already body type removed and sacrificed.

Was the teaching.

Held mass is fused.

Sciences old man's warning spiritual hierarchial group said Sion is fused earth sealed and holy. Don't change it or life will eventuate into total biologies removal.

Proven already a huge amount of DNA no longer enabled to be healthy.

Don't change it.

Humans today ask the thinker why don't you agree about man's owned old scientific terms about God earth?

As God he says by those first terms the God in healthy human life.... does not exist anymore as scientists unsealed earths mass themselves.

And we fight argue the claim of God by human descriptions as human theists.

Water by ice pressure and cold had sealed earths Rock from being reactive ground mass.

Water being bio lifes supporter the holy teaching. So God as a lesser known God now is with us....no longer natural humans first God as total life support. Was the reasoning why genetics aren't all healthy as they should be.

We hence were told to never practice Satanism...Alchemy nuclear science again.

Alchemy was reallowed as it ended metal presence equal to life body life says psyche advice.... no harm to life as mass of natural water was used to cool it's presence.

It had not used our heavens water for microbial biology oxygenated living life.

Machines reacting changes through our heavens the mind is told did and had.

Anything beyond mere Alchemy wasn't allowed. As it was typified as a satanic act only.

Satan hadn't created life's biology it's stated it had lifes biology Sacrificed by removing both ice body saviour and holy life water saviour.

Satanists however own a human belief consciously of wanting his own man father of science whom he mentally hates destroyed. So he continues himself with self destructive theisms.

Is the Jesus teaching know yourself first.

 

[joelr]

And that doesn’t mean much to me about what someone else’s testimony is, I wasn’t there to witness it. But when I talk to people who say they had an experience with God other than Jesus Christ there may sound similar in some fashion but what’s missing is the Holy Spirit, none have this from their god, the relationship is based on some following of rules and not a relationship with God where God makes a Covenant with us and also gives us His Spirit.

A strawman. Of course the holy spirit is missing, it's a different religion. That's like someone in Islam attacking your conversion and saying "It wasn't real, do you know how I know it wasn't real? Because what's missing is Allah. Christians don't speak with Allah so their stories are not real."

"Holy Spirit" is the word "spirit" with "holy" put in front of it. Whatever special thing the "Holy Spirit" does ALL other religions have something to do that.

The only reason Christianity started with the holy spirit theology is because some theologian wanted a trinity. Yet ANOTHER thing in Christianity that goes back to older theology.

A triad, in a religious context, refers to a grouping of three gods, usually by importance or similar roles.

• The Classical Greek Olympic triad of Zeus (king of the gods), Athena (goddess of war and intellect) and Apollo (god of the sun, culture and music)[3][4]
• The Delian chief triad of Leto (mother), Artemis (daughter) and Apollo (son)[5][6] and second Delian triad of Athena, Zeus and Hera[7]
• The Eleusinian Mysteries centered on Persephone (daughter), Demeter (mother), and Triptolemus (to whom Demeter taught agriculture)
• In ancient Egypt there were many triads:
  • the Osirian (or Abydos) triad of Osiris (husband), Isis (wife), and Horus (son),[8]
  • the Theban triad of Amun, Mut and Khonsu
  • the Memphite triad of Ptah, Sekhmet and Nefertem
  • the Elephantine triad of Khnum (god of the source of the Nile river), Satet (the personification of the floods of the Nile river), and Anuket (the Goddess of the nile river).
  • the sungod Ra, whose form in the morning was Khepri, at noon Re-Horakhty and in the evening Atum, and many others.[9]
• The Hellenistic Egypt triad of Isis, Alexandrian Serapis and Harpocrates (a Hellenized version of the already referred Isis-Osiris-Horus triad), though in the early Ptolemaic period Serapis, Isis and Apollo (who was sometimes identified with Horus) were preferred.[10]
• The Roman Capitoline Triad of Jupiter (father), Juno (wife), and Minerva (daughter)
• The Roman pleibian triad of Ceres, Liber Pater and Libera (or its Greek counterpart with Demeter, Dionysos and Kore)
• 
  
• The Matres (Deae Matres/Dea Matrona) in Roman mythology
• The Fates, Moirai or Furies in Greek and Roman mythology: Clotho or Nona the Spinner, Lachesis or Decima the Weaver, and Atropos or Morta the Cutter of the Threads of Life. One's Lifeline was Spun by Clotho, Woven into the tapestry of Life by Lachesis, and the thread Cut by Atropos.
• The Hooded Spirits or Genii Cucullati in Gallo-Roman times
• 
  
• The triad of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat in the time of Mohammed (Holy Qu'ran (Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation), Surah 53:19-22)
• Lugus (Esus, Toutatis and Taranis) in Celtic mythology
• Odin, Vili and Ve in Norse mythology
• The Norns in Norse mythology
• Odin, Freyr, and Thor in Norse mythology. Odin is the god of wisdom and knowledge, Freyr is the god of fertility and prosperity, and Thor is the god of thunder and strength.
• The Triglav in Slavic mythology
• Perkūnas (god of heaven), Patrimpas (god of earth) and Pikuolis (god of death) in Prussian mythology
• The Zorya or Auroras in Slavic mythology
• The Charites or Graces in Greek mythology
• The One, the Thought (or Intellect) and the Soul in Neoplatonism
• Trinitarian Doctrines of God the Father, God the Son, and Holy Spirit in Christianity New Testament

Christian Trinity
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus "threefold")[12] defines God as being one god existing in three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial persons:[13][14

 

[joelr]

Wasn’t talking to you but keep on keeping on. One day you may wake up. You must be too young yet, I was very fortunate not to waste my whole life.

He's right, none of that is evidence for a deity. People in all religions, secular groups, cults, therapy, mental health medication, lifestyle changes completely transform their lives.
But the fact that you went on to violate your own scripture (not really learning the lessons or are you able to cherry-pick what to follow?) and continue to make judgments about people is very suspect.

You are also assuming everyone who isn't a Bible evangelist is living some sort of hedonistic lifestyle. When in fact most people are just working, trying to make ends meet, raise a family and do some good in the world. Every post you make is wrong in some way.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

That is the exact description of a psychological change brought on by belief in some religious fiction. It happens in all religions and cults. God does exist, in your mind, and the beliefs, images and expectations were the psychological push you needed.
You have not demonstrated anything outside of your mind.

I genuinely believed in God, and I sought his love and protection when I was a child and for thirty years as a devout Christian. Despite my efforts to connect with God, I never experienced any positive psychological changes in my life during all the years I was a believer.

On the contrary, I suffered many years of abuse (physical, psychological, and sexual) while growing up; I endured years of bullying and harassment in school; and I've had to deal with depression and anxiety during my adult life due to all the emotional trauma I suffered while growing up in an abusive home and from being perpetually bullied and harassed while I was in school. I didn't experience any positive psychological changes in my life until after I disavowed my belief in God and renounced my Christian faith about a year and a half ago. My mental, emotional, and physical well-being slowly began to improve after I finally let go of my belief and faith in God.

 

[joelr]

Don’t know what you’re talking about or why you addressed your comment to me really. What God has done in my life has so far surpassed anything I could’ve hoped for or imagined for myself. Anything more is just icing on the cake.

Granted the bar I set was pretty low when I was living “ the dream”, doing what I want partying, drinking, drugs, sex. Let’s see what I’m missing out on: sexual disease, in and out of relationships every 3 months, bankrupt, guilty conscience, nights over the toilet, looking for more drugs at all hours of the night, smoking lint on the carpet, my head over the stove trying to get that last hit off the crack pipe, crashed cars, stealing, lying cheating. Oh the fun! My goal was a truck with a wave runner so I could go to the lake and ride that thing.
So to say morally superior is pretty funny, I was morally bankrupt and miserable and that’s why I called out to God, He is morally superior and saved me to the uttermost, gave me a life I thought was impossible. This was all His doing and yes I had to do and still do my part, but He did all the deliverance, miraculous healing and providing.

That explains everything. You were living a miserable life and were primed to be taken in by a "born again" fundamentalist group. It was the companionship, reprogramming, buying into myths that gave you a significant transformation. You feel it was a deity because you have never done this in a secular way and don't realize it can happen that way as well. Or an Islamic group could have indoctrinated you. Maybe even Scientology?

Doesn't make the legends about Gods real.

 

[rational experiences]

Humans term I named God terms first myself natural words.

My words however did not own why any type of natural body existed.

I'm just a human.

Is the correct human conscious human explanation.

Which owns the teaching all humans were living created equally.

Only a man put science at his side maths zero womb design calculus then machine.

As in equal life human woman was at your side already.

You quoted man of god being satanisms not yet acted upon first...why it's not real first sacrificed biology life.

Using mentality natural God had existed first.

Satanisms calculus of man not active first.

As no man invented life by his man thesis by his man thinking his man control as machine pretending... Owns a machine falsely claiming it is the same as earths natural human story.

Is what you don't discuss on public forums ....as it's what he's doing. Claiming he's God and he invented lifes sacrifice. All by man's thinking only.

Stating a humans life is part machine.

Just because his life is gone by the machines reaction. In his memory a scientists awareness.

 

[joelr]

I genuinely believed in God, and I sought his love and protection when I was a child and for thirty years as a devout Christian. Despite my efforts to connect with God, I never experienced any positive psychological changes in my life during all the years I was a believer.

On the contrary, I suffered many years of abuse (physical, psychological, and sexual) while growing up; I endured years of bullying and harassment in school; and I've had to deal with depression and anxiety during my adult life due to all the trauma I experienced growing up in an abusive home and from being perpetually bullied and harassed while I was in school. In fact, I didn't experience any positive psychological changes in my life until after I disavowed my belief in God and renounced my Christian faith about a year and a half ago. My mental, emotional, and physical well-being slowly began to improve after I was finally let go of my belief and faith in God.

Since there is no actual deity outside your mind it can work in some cases and in others it can completely fail. It tends to work with people coming off drugs and a fast lifestyle because all they do is change those patterns and their life improves dramatically. Then they blame the success on a God. But for those with physical, emotional pain and mental illness it can be a disaster because they are praying for help and it doesn't work that way, no help comes from fictional magical beings in the heavens.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Since there is no actual deity outside your mind it can work in some cases and in others it can completely fail. It tends to work with people coming off drugs and a fast lifestyle because all they do is change those patterns and their life improves dramatically. Then they blame the success on a God. But for those with physical, emotional pain and mental illness it can be a disaster because they are praying for help and it doesn't work that way, no help comes from fictional magical beings in the heavens.

To be honest, I won't ever be an atheist who doesn't believe in gods or in anything supernatural. I have my reasons for still believing in the supernatural, but I won't specify what these reasons are in this thread. I guess I'm now an agnostic when it comes to believing in the Christian God because I don't believe the authenticity of the Bible anymore. I've read a lot of information that demonstrates how the stories about Jesus' life parallel some stories from pagan religions that predate both the Bible and Christianity. I'm certain that I will never emotionally embrace another religion in the same way that I did Christianity. Due to what I experienced while I was a believer in the Christian God, I've learned not to become emotionally dependent on a religious belief and let it take control of my life.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That explains everything. You were living a miserable life and were primed to be taken in by a "born again" fundamentalist group.

So where did I mention that, see how you make up stuff? What group was that, tell me? I was by myself in my room at the rehab.
Then what group did I say shared the Gospel with me and gave me the Holy Spirit?