Trailblazer
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I never claimed that it produced evidence.
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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?
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Five Solas
Active Member
Why? For what purpose? To convince you? To satisfy your uncertainty or curiosity? You are simply argumentative by using a common phrase.
I am convinced. I do not doubt. That is why I am a Christian. I do not expect you to agree or understand. God is not true because it could be proven. God is.
Five Solas
Active Member
Those who believe in God do not habitually ask for proof. Asking for proof is a secular trait. Why? Because we are saved Sola Fide - by faith alone. The nature of Christianity is faith in God. That is the red line between believers and non-believers.
However, faith implies knowledge. One cannot believe without knowing. We define faith as knowing and trusting God.
We cannot believe without knowing the object of our faith who is God. But knowledge alone does not bring faith or trust. Satan knows God and fears Him.
So, that implies it is impossible to know nothing about God and believe in Him.
However, faith implies knowledge. One cannot believe without knowing. We define faith as knowing and trusting God.
We cannot believe without knowing the object of our faith who is God. But knowledge alone does not bring faith or trust. Satan knows God and fears Him.
So, that implies it is impossible to know nothing about God and believe in Him.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Time to get into a shorter river.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, not to convince me. But so that you could claim to have a rational belief. Yes, you are a Christian. So what? You made a false claim about knowing when you only have mere belief.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And you are once again repeating your mistake, You are making statements that do not appear to be true and that you have admitted that you cannot properly support.
Your next error is to say that faith implies knowledge. It does not . It implies ignorance. If one knows something one can properly support it. If one does not know then one only has belief.
It is fine with me if someone admits that they only have faith. I do not like it when people make false claims about knowledge.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
So let me ask you this. If God does not give faith to all people, are those people at fault for not believing in God?
Gender and sex are different.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
People often make these kind of declarations when their arguments are refuted. If you remember I cautioned you against subjecting your beliefs to the critical scrutiny of debate at the very start. Now it appears that after ignoring my sensible advice, you are going to sulk, because people dared to disagree with your claims, refute your arguments, and make it plain they don't share your beliefs and why.
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Sheldon
Veteran Member
Those are contradictions, and knowledge is something that can be communicated, as by definition it involves facts and information. There is literally nothing one could not believe using faith alone.
However if you have knowledge, that would represent objective evidence, I am extremely dubious this is the case, for pretty obvious reasons, but by all means present it here.
ElishaElijah
Return
You ever heard the phrase “A legend in his own mind”?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
We know. but don't worry. Learning is the first step to overcome this. You can learn.
ElishaElijah
Return
Too bad you couldn’t bring yourself to see the humor and truth to the comment.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Oh no, I do quite often admit that I am wrong. I have seen you shown to be wrong countless times. Sometimes even when it comes to what is in the Bible, and you simply refuse to own up to your errors. You assume, perhaps due to the poisoning of Kevin Conners (note spelling), that others cannot understand the Bible as well as you do. In actuality your own beliefs get in the way of understanding what that book says. That happens a lot with evangelicals.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, here is how you do it.
You: I hold the Truth and you don't.
Me: I can do that too. I hold the Truth and you don't.
So here is what you could learn. It doesn't matter that one of us hold the Truth, because the other one can still do it differently. So in practice neither of us holds the Truth, because it can't be the Truth, because it doesn't hold so far. That is step one. There is more to follow, but have you learned it now?
You: I hold the Truth and you don't.
Me: I can do that too. I hold the Truth and you don't.
That doesn't work, so what else is there?
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Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Prayer by definition is a conversation with God. It's not a one way conversation.
ElishaElijah
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Jesus Christ is the Truth, so what is your truth exactly?
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Nothing to fear, not even fear itself.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
And you are still doing it. To you your version of Jesus Christ is the Truth. To me there is no The Truth, because you could just claim that is not The Truth, if I claimed one, but so could I as you claim The Truth.
You really don't get that it works exactly the same in both directions, do you?
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
There's only truth. What is the Truth?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
In philosophy the Truth is the idea of the correct (set of) methodology(ies) that always for all cases gives the correct positive answer. I.e. total knowledge.