There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[Spirit of Light]

Hmm. Not helping too much. Still sounding like wishful thinking.

To you and a good part of the ateists in RF, anything a theist or a spiritual person say, will sound as wishful thinking.
But you know, it does not matter what others say, only personal experience for each person counts toward what people experiences within spiritual practice.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I was a smoker for 39 years. A heavy smoker, and you may judge me stupid for that if you wish -- I do myself. But when I quit (22 years ago), I did so because I finally really wanted to. Now, because I do not believe in God, I didn't think to ask for God's help, nor do I have any reason to suppose I got any. It was my own desire, my own knowledge of what I was inexorably doing to myself, that did the trick. And if I had not accepted that knowledge, no god anywhere could have helped me.

Congratulations on quitting smoking and for 22 years now! Good job man

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is evidence of the Israelites in Egypt. Papyrus Brooklyn 35.1446 is an Egyptian document written in hieratic script, that names 95 household servants of a noblewoman named Senebtisi.16 Forty of the names are Semitic.

The biblical description of slaves making bricks is affirmed by a painting in the tomb of Rehkmire. ( 1470-1445 BC)

The most famous discovery related to Moses and the Exodus is the Merneptah Stele.
It contains the oldest definitive reference to Israel as a nation outside of the Bible, and the clearest Egyptian reference to Israel.

The Memeptah Stele is evidence against your beliefs. It shows that the Bible history is incorrect. Yes, it does identify Israel as a country, but at that time was one of the possessions of the empire of Egypt:

Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia

Why don't you ever include links? Wiki is useful because it does provide links to the articles that it is based upon. Quite often the original peer reviewed works can be found that way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To you and a good part of the ateists in RF, anything a theist or a spiritual person say, will sound as wishful thinking.
But you know, it does not matter what others say, only personal experience for each person counts toward what people experiences within spiritual practice.

It would help if you could do more than handwave. A good first step is finding clear definitions for the terms that one uses. If you can't do that you will find that different people mean very different things using the same language.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What do you mean by architectural evidence?

He meant archaeological. He still did not pick up on that. He mentioned a real object, but I do not see how that was evidence for the Exodus. "Israel existed" is not very convincing when people are talking about how the Hebrews got there. We know that Israel existed. That fact was not in dispute.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have experienced it through personally practiced spiritual teachings since i was 15 years old.

That is not very good evidence. People often misinterpret events in their lives. At best it only convinced you. And those events can almost never be properly tested or documented.

 

[firedragon]

Thank you for pointing this out. On reflection it is honestly my own bias that brings me to accept them.

Lol. Hey. Don't be so honest.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is evidence of the Israelites in Egypt. Papyrus Brooklyn 35.1446 is an Egyptian document written in hieratic script, that names 95 household servants of a noblewoman named Senebtisi.16 Forty of the names are Semitic.

The biblical description of slaves making bricks is affirmed by a painting in the tomb of Rehkmire. ( 1470-1445 BC)

The most famous discovery related to Moses and the Exodus is the Merneptah Stele.
It contains the oldest definitive reference to Israel as a nation outside of the Bible, and the clearest Egyptian reference to Israel.

You really should provide links. But you gave enough info to find these items. As my last post shows the memeptah Stele does not really help you at all. Now for this next one the source of that papyrus does not say Semitic names. That may be an assumption of a source that you used. It specifies "Asiatic names":

Brooklyn Museum

Theban noblewoman named Senebtisi to establish legal ownership of ninety-five household servants, whose names indicate that forty-five were of Asiatic origin.

Not all Asian names are Semitic. Though all Semitic names are Asian. Perhaps your source assumed something that it should not have.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It would help if you could do more than handwave. A good first step is finding clear definitions for the terms that one uses. If you can't do that you will find that different people mean very different things using the same language.

I can't speak for others, I know what it means to me

 

[Spirit of Light]

That is not very good evidence. People often misinterpret events in their lives. At best it only convinced you. And those events can almost never be properly tested or documented.

My spiritual journey is personal, i have no need to "prove" to others what I believe is true to them. If you do not believe as I do, that is totally ok to me. I don't need you to prove your non belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can't speak for others, I know what it means to me

That defeats the point of communication.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My spiritual journey is personal, i have no need to "prove" to others what I believe is true to them. If you do not believe as I do, that is totally ok to me. I don't need you to prove your non belief.

Then why even mention it? You are not making any sense here.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That defeats the point of communication.

It means, if you want those answers, you have to seek them your self, the answers you find will be different than the answers i found on my journey.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Then why even mention it? You are not making any sense here.

Does everything have to make a sense to you about what other people believe?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It means, if you want those answers, you have to seek them your self, the answers you find will be different than the answers i found on my journey.

When you post in such a vague way it becomes doubtful that you accomplished your "journey". You may have convinced yourself, but that is extraordinarily easy to do. It is when a person can convince others that they begin to get some credibility.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Does everything have to make a sense to you about what other people believe?

It helps if one wants to see if there is any basis in reality in their beliefs or not or if it is just a case of self delusion.

People can convince themselves of anything. Look at all of the creationists here. I have not seen some for a while, but there have even been flat Earthers here.

 

[Spirit of Light]

When you post in such a vague way it becomes doubtful that you accomplished your "journey". You may have convinced yourself, but that is extraordinarily easy to do. It is when a person can convince others that they begin to get some credibility.

I do not seek your aproval of my belief
What you think of me or my belief is fully up to you.

And, no i am not even close to being finish seeking answers to my own belief. My belief is not solid stuck to one answer, it change over time the more i realize about the teaching.

 

[PearlSeeker]

Even that is very unsure. Can't a man wax poetic without everyone jumping to conclusions?

Then let's read some "poetry":

“Behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force is my religion. To that extent, I am in point of fact, religious.”[8]

“Every scientist becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men.”[9]

“Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe – a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”[10]

“The divine reveals itself in the physical world.”[11]

“My God created laws… His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking but by immutable laws.”[12]

“I want to know how God created this world. I want to know his thoughts.”[13]

“What I am really interested in knowing is whether God could have created the world in a different way.”[14]

“This firm belief in a superior mind that reveals itself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God.”[15]

“My religiosity consists of a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit, …That superior reasoning power forms my idea of God.”[16]

Source:
Did Einstein Believe in God?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then let's read some "poetry":

“Behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force is my religion. To that extent, I am in point of fact, religious.”[8]

“Every scientist becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men.”[9]

“Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe – a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”[10]

“The divine reveals itself in the physical world.”[11]

“My God created laws… His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking but by immutable laws.”[12]

“I want to know how God created this world. I want to know his thoughts.”[13]

“What I am really interested in knowing is whether God could have created the world in a different way.”[14]

“This firm belief in a superior mind that reveals itself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God.”[15]

“My religiosity consists of a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit, …That superior reasoning power forms my idea of God.”[16]

Source:
Did Einstein Believe in God?

It is easy to believe that Einstein believed in God when you only read cherry picked sources.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It helps if one wants to see if there is any basis in reality in their beliefs or not or if it is just a case of self delusion.

People can convince themselves of anything. Look at all of the creationists here. I have not seen some for a while, but there have even been flat Earthers here.

I haven’t seen any Flat Earthers on here, who would that be? Do tell, but that has nothing to do with @Seeker of White Light and his comments.
Also, @Seeker of White Light makes sense to me, what he is communicating and has a basis for reality for people who have had a spiritual awakening.