Madsaac
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This is cool, just a curious question. Do you believe in every religion then or none?
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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?
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This is cool, just a curious question. Do you believe in every religion then or none?
Madsaac
Active Member
Maybe it does matter if someone says your experience was false because if no one did, it means we would be living in a world of kaos.
We need objective truths and science is the best way to get to them. And as far as I'm concerned, the inability to speak to dead people is one of them.
If someone could actually demonstrate in some way (Objectively) that god/supernatural existed, then that would probably be one of the best things humanity had or ever will experience but unfortunately it's all purely subjective.
So lets stick to the objective truths, for the sake of humanity
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Good question, I'd love to hear the answer...
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I do believe the Bible holds the truth. I was not an eye-witness to any of it as it was written, but it strikes a chord with me that no other religious thought does. And I believe that God revealed himself in large measure to the Israelites, and then the good news about Jesus was circulated beyond. For me this is an objective truth.
Peace for all,
To me in logic, the Israelite's were picked to carry the Chosen Sacrifice in The Ark of the Covenant, the first Exodus to The Homeland, the Promised Land, Jerusalem in the City of David. The Ark was carried and in a special way, that carried the manna from the desert, the logical tree of Life in the Mortal Garden of Earth awaiting transfiguration into the New Heaven, and the Law, The Ten Commandments, and the Rod of Araon that budded, brought life back, re-sanctified the spirits of the soul of the beings in The Presence as the Staff of the Priestly authority. And the Chosen sacrifice was the Sacrifice of Animals in the Temple for sacrifice and penance and atonement for forgiveness and absolution to restore friendship back to God, forgiveness. Absolution and atonement given, the unfulfilled sacrifical gift of animal sacrifice is only for the spirit of the soul of the being and not yet for the flesh. So, in logic, they awaited in the center of the earth where the souls awaited safely in the chasm of the Bosom of Abraham, until the coming of The Christ.
To me in Logic, Supernaturally, and not able to be understood by any of the finite disciplines of earth, we become from created mortal and corrupt beins from the Bodies of Adam and Eve, in logic, and ununderstandibily mataphysically to becoming immortal and incorruptible to become again glorified together with the Father and The Son and transfigured into the image of The Creator, God as one in being.
To me The logic of Baptism is that Baptism is a sacrament from death of life in the new Baptismal name selected at Baptism. A new name and now a new being, in the New Body, We are Baptized in logic in our spirit as sanctified through the flesh for the soul of our being in the Body of Christ. We become into the Body of Christ as immortal and incorruptible, from created and failed mortal in the flesh and spirits from the created beings of Adam and Eve. And as Baptized into the Church we become Logically sanctified and ready for entry right then as Baptized with a new name and a New Body with a sanctified Holy Spirit being becoming re-imaged, in the pattern of infallibility in Our Soul. We are Spotless like Christ at the Epiphany, the manifestation of God in Man as Christ as glorified in the flesh and spirit in the soul of the Body of His Being by St John the Baptist in the River Jordan when Christ was Baptized. The Ark of the New Covenant delivers eternal life to not only the spirits but to the flesh of the being in the New Eve, through the Body of Christ. We know Christ is sanctified from The Holy Spirit Person in being through His Flesh for His Soul in the Body of God when God said, "Behold, my Son in whom I am well pleased." And we become brothers and sisters of Christ from the cross when He spoke to us by name, disciple, before we were even born when He called us by our new name from the cross, "Disciple," "Ecce Mater tua," in Hebrew, "Behold your Mother." Then He looked at His mother and said, "Woman, behold your son or daughter." We become brothers and sisters of Christ, The Word became flesh and share in being with Him as one. To me this is the logical state of the sanctified being in the sanctified spirit through the sanctified flesh becoming as confirmed sanctified and immortal and incorruptible from the spirit through flesh for soul of our being in the Body of Our Christ. And through our Communion with Him and through Confession and Penance and Sacrifice through Christ we are forgiven in the words of absolution, forgiven, and re-Confirmed as sanctified to be able to through death and resurrection become again glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator, God the Father in One God, through three persons, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit becoming united in the "RI" real intelligence of Creation.
In logic we see all mankind as a Son of God, as united together with the Father and The Son to become again in His Image as One in Being.
We know in logic and beyond to keep open the doors to faith for all mankind.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
To me in logic, the Israelite's were picked to carry the Chosen Sacrifice in The Ark of the Covenant, the first Exodus to The Homeland, the Promised Land, Jerusalem in the City of David. The Ark was carried and in a special way, that carried the manna from the desert, the logical tree of Life in the Mortal Garden of Earth awaiting transfiguration into the New Heaven, and the Law, The Ten Commandments, and the Rod of Araon that budded, brought life back, re-sanctified the spirits of the soul of the beings in The Presence as the Staff of the Priestly authority. And the Chosen sacrifice was the Sacrifice of Animals in the Temple for sacrifice and penance and atonement for forgiveness and absolution to restore friendship back to God, forgiveness. Absolution and atonement given, the unfulfilled sacrifical gift of animal sacrifice is only for the spirit of the soul of the being and not yet for the flesh. So, in logic, they awaited in the center of the earth where the souls awaited safely in the chasm of the Bosom of Abraham, until the coming of The Christ.
To me in Logic, Supernaturally, and not able to be understood by any of the finite disciplines of earth, we become from created mortal and corrupt beins from the Bodies of Adam and Eve, in logic, and ununderstandibily mataphysically to becoming immortal and incorruptible to become again glorified together with the Father and The Son and transfigured into the image of The Creator, God as one in being.
To me The logic of Baptism is that Baptism is a sacrament from death of life in the new Baptismal name selected at Baptism. A new name and now a new being, in the New Body, We are Baptized in logic in our spirit as sanctified through the flesh for the soul of our being in the Body of Christ. We become into the Body of Christ as immortal and incorruptible, from created and failed mortal in the flesh and spirits from the created beings of Adam and Eve. And as Baptized into the Church we become Logically sanctified and ready for entry right then as Baptized with a new name and a New Body with a sanctified Holy Spirit being becoming re-imaged, in the pattern of infallibility in Our Soul. We are Spotless like Christ at the Epiphany, the manifestation of God in Man as Christ as glorified in the flesh and spirit in the soul of the Body of His Being by St John the Baptist in the River Jordan when Christ was Baptized. The Ark of the New Covenant delivers eternal life to not only the spirits but to the flesh of the being in the New Eve, through the Body of Christ. We know Christ is sanctified from The Holy Spirit Person in being through His Flesh for His Soul in the Body of God when God said, "Behold, my Son in whom I am well pleased." And we become brothers and sisters of Christ from the cross when He spoke to us by name, disciple, before we were even born when He called us by our new name from the cross, "Disciple," "Ecce Mater tua," in Hebrew, "Behold your Mother." Then He looked at His mother and said, "Woman, behold your son or daughter." We become brothers and sisters of Christ, The Word became flesh and share in being with Him as one. To me this is the logical state of the sanctified being in the sanctified spirit through the sanctified flesh becoming as confirmed sanctified and immortal and incorruptible from the spirit through flesh for soul of our being in the Body of Our Christ. And through our Communion with Him and through Confession and Penance and Sacrifice through Christ we are forgiven in the words of absolution, forgiven, and re-Confirmed as sanctified to be able to through death and resurrection become again glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator, God the Father in One God, through three persons, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit becoming united in the "RI" real intelligence of Creation.
In logic we see all mankind as a Son of God, as united together with the Father and The Son to become again in His Image as One in Being.
We know in logic and beyond to keep open the doors to faith for all mankind.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
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Madsaac
Active Member
Yeah, I understand and honestly happy for you but wouldn't it be better for everyone else, if he just made himself known to the rest of us.....without the 'subjective' leap of faith
Peace to all,
True, subjective is the right word, thanks.
To me in logic, His truths are told in parables.
Jesus answered him, “What I am doing you do not understand now, but afterward you will understand.”
To me in logic, James and Peter and John were told not to talk about the Transfiguration until after His resurrection. We as John, perhaps the disciple He loved the most, are all disciples and perhaps we are The Disciple that He loves the most because we were there too. He spoke to us by name before we were born, as disciple, the new name. He has only the most love for all mankind, from the cross we take home Mary as Our Mother. "Disciple" "Ecce Mater tua." We know Mary is protected.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
To me in logic, the real intelligence of Creation is delivered and immortalized incorruptible as transformed and "Glorified" as transfigured by Contact through The Host that existed before creation as The Word.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
There is no work greater even possible than for the salvation of souls.
True, subjective is the right word, thanks.
To me in logic, His truths are told in parables.
Jesus answered him, “What I am doing you do not understand now, but afterward you will understand.”
To me in logic, James and Peter and John were told not to talk about the Transfiguration until after His resurrection. We as John, perhaps the disciple He loved the most, are all disciples and perhaps we are The Disciple that He loves the most because we were there too. He spoke to us by name before we were born, as disciple, the new name. He has only the most love for all mankind, from the cross we take home Mary as Our Mother. "Disciple" "Ecce Mater tua." We know Mary is protected.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
To me in logic, the real intelligence of Creation is delivered and immortalized incorruptible as transformed and "Glorified" as transfigured by Contact through The Host that existed before creation as The Word.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
There is no work greater even possible than for the salvation of souls.
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
If you cannot explain something simply, then you probably don't know enough about it.
Albert Einstein.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Unfalsifiable? Theists might agree with you!
Peace to all,
Unfalsifiable, thanks for the word.
To me the logic in evidence is in choice.
Einstein tried to prove the static state of dynamic eternity in all the finite disciplines know to man at the time, and still today and realized that as a rational being he did not know how to do it and rationally said, "I don't know how He does it."
In logic, we know the static or everlasting in space time as unfailing state of eternity dynamically and it gets confusing to me beyond a point in the finite disciplines, just like Einstein, but in logic the state of being sanctified immortalized incorruptible and glorified and transfigured into His image will never fail with choice or what causes logical internal temptation and failure as now removed. The failed "AI" artificial spirit intelligence of creation has chance for choice to manifest as chosen including failure. To me in logic the "RI" real intelligence is the Will power that will never fail with the chance for failure removed from the information.
Perhaps in logic in the unfailing creation we cannot or Will not question the evidence and see, is said or look for, only God.
Perhaps the logic there is one of two stable states of spirits through Choice manifested by the state from the selected spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being in the Body. The choice becomes Man or God's Will.
To me in logic in the case for God's Will, Christ fulfills the created and failed mortal love of Adam and Eve to eternal love, His passion through the New Eve, in The Body of God as united through the Will of the Divine Spirit.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
There is no work greater even possible than for the salvation of souls.
Unfalsifiable, thanks for the word.
To me the logic in evidence is in choice.
Einstein tried to prove the static state of dynamic eternity in all the finite disciplines know to man at the time, and still today and realized that as a rational being he did not know how to do it and rationally said, "I don't know how He does it."
In logic, we know the static or everlasting in space time as unfailing state of eternity dynamically and it gets confusing to me beyond a point in the finite disciplines, just like Einstein, but in logic the state of being sanctified immortalized incorruptible and glorified and transfigured into His image will never fail with choice or what causes logical internal temptation and failure as now removed. The failed "AI" artificial spirit intelligence of creation has chance for choice to manifest as chosen including failure. To me in logic the "RI" real intelligence is the Will power that will never fail with the chance for failure removed from the information.
Perhaps in logic in the unfailing creation we cannot or Will not question the evidence and see, is said or look for, only God.
Perhaps the logic there is one of two stable states of spirits through Choice manifested by the state from the selected spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being in the Body. The choice becomes Man or God's Will.
To me in logic in the case for God's Will, Christ fulfills the created and failed mortal love of Adam and Eve to eternal love, His passion through the New Eve, in The Body of God as united through the Will of the Divine Spirit.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
There is no work greater even possible than for the salvation of souls.
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Peace to all,
Thanks for the Question.
"The Strategies of Rhetorical Logic"
"Strategies of Retorical Logic"
Some state It can’t be because of logic, as there is no proof of god, right?
And asked if the answer can be in logic or not?
In logic the complete question is irrational and illogical when stated that it can't be from logic as there is no proof of God? Right?
In my logic, it is only logical because logic is the only proof God exists.
Follow me:
Logical proof of God is in the Word.
In Creation as "The Big Bang" is the failed chaos of creation in an unorderly state. The failed intelligence is in the pattern of the logical image of the intelligence containing choice.
Only in logic can we fix the failed state of the information. And there is only one true image that manifests infallibllity.
And rhetorically we ask? How do we fix the logic?
To me in logic the answer is:
The Word became flesh.
Creation in Order.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
Some ask, or state that There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?
To me the logic is proof but the "Gift" is the evidence.Thanks for the Question.
"The Strategies of Rhetorical Logic"
"Strategies of Retorical Logic"
Some state It can’t be because of logic, as there is no proof of god, right?
And asked if the answer can be in logic or not?
In logic the complete question is irrational and illogical when stated that it can't be from logic as there is no proof of God? Right?
In my logic, it is only logical because logic is the only proof God exists.
Follow me:
Logical proof of God is in the Word.
In Creation as "The Big Bang" is the failed chaos of creation in an unorderly state. The failed intelligence is in the pattern of the logical image of the intelligence containing choice.
Only in logic can we fix the failed state of the information. And there is only one true image that manifests infallibllity.
And rhetorically we ask? How do we fix the logic?
To me in logic the answer is:
The Word became flesh.
Creation in Order.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
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Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
I believe there are many misconceptions and false claims to sort through. It's part of rightly dividing the word of truth. This extends to everything in life. Not just religious texts.
Peace to all,
True, The one God.
To me the logic is in The Faith and is in the real intelligence, the "RI" of the universe.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
True, The one God.
To me the logic is in The Faith and is in the real intelligence, the "RI" of the universe.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
stvdv
Veteran Member
I know "God is real"
God defined as unconditional Love
How I know? I experience unconditional Love
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I don't know. I haven't given it much thought and I can't figure a better way than for people to talk about it and try to help others to understand better what's written. If there would be a better way I can't figure right now. One reason is that the Bible promises a better, wonderful future for mankind, which I appreciate. It reaches my heart. And I try to share these thoughts with others as much as possible. (The rest is up to God.) While there are questions, yes -- nevertheless I put my faith in these prophecies and try not to dwell on questions I cannot answer right now. But basically accept them as written. New heavens and new earth in which righteousness is to dwell. Revelation 21. Hope that helps to explain my viewpoint.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I guess that's why I could never understand what he was trying to figure -- ?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I chuckled when I read your post, but I don't use the laughing Smiley......... has got me in to trouble before.
Although I am not Christian I certainly do believe that Jesus was a real person, but my studies don't overlap beyond 'Acts'.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Then of course we have Stephen Hawking who said maybe this and maybe not...ok, I won't put a smiley there...but--I'm thinkin'I chuckled when I read your post, but I don't use the laughing Smiley......... has got me in to trouble before.
Although I am not Christian I certainly do believe that Jesus was a real person, but my studies don't overlap beyond 'Acts'.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Because of my faith I take it slowly with help. For which I am happy==or rather satisfied. Curious though about your personal studies. (It isn't easy...in other words, to do it without assistance, at least I don't think so. Take care.)I chuckled when I read your post, but I don't use the laughing Smiley......... has got me in to trouble before.
Although I am not Christian I certainly do believe that Jesus was a real person, but my studies don't overlap beyond 'Acts'.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
In science, we have myriads of questions we can't answer, which is a strength, not a weakness because knowing our limitations is crucially important.