To The Anti Gay Religious

[suncowiam]

No, they exist today. Interestingly enough they find themselves bullied, suffering intolerance and discrimination, from many in the LBGT community.

Fascinating. A group that advocates for tolerance has members within that have no tolerance for those no longer affiliated.

Oh, would the basis to this is whether being gay is genetics or if it is a choice.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Oh, would the basis to this is whether being gay is genetics or if it is a choice.

For a proper answer you'd have to ask someone who is ex-gay that question.

 

[dgirl1986]

I am an atheist, a husband, a father. The way you live your life is your business. Marriage is between a man and woman. Your sexual identity will always come before parenting. It's just a fact. Give it up, face reality.

They way you live your life is your business...then I don't see why you felt the need to state the views following that statement.

Meaning homosexuality is not conducive to self sacrifice that is required in raising children. Don't like my opinion as an experienced parent?
Eat a peach.

Sexuality and ability to raise children are not related.

IThere are times I don't really feel like playing catch in the back yard but I do it anyway because it is important. I have work to do but i have a tea party instead.
Homos are preoccupied with their own sexuality.

What makes you think a homosexual parent wouldnt play catch in the backyard despite not feeling like it? How am I preoccupied with my sexuality exactly? Or are you thinking that we all fit into the sexualised stereotypes of homosexuals?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

"Former" gays apparently only existed in mythical times.

They didn't exist then and they don't exist now. It's simply called sexual repression and forced celibacy. They also don't factor in bisexuals to the equation.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

For a proper answer you'd have to ask someone who is ex-gay that question.

Or, better yet, an ex-heterosexual.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Bisexuals do factor in as anyone who reads scriptures know.
If anything Bisexuals prove their sexual behavior is a choice.
Just as do lesbians who cheat on their girlfriend with a man and conceive in the process.

 

[suncowiam]

For a proper answer you'd have to ask someone who is ex-gay that question.

This is actually a new scenario that I've just learned. It's interesting.

Why do you believe that some from LBGT community is discriminating against these "ex-gays"?

So the question would be to folks of the LBGT community.

 

[dgirl1986]

Yeah the guy who runs a local charity shop is gay but I don't care because he's a nice friendly guy, and I once applied to be a volunteer helper there, but he said "No thanks, i've got all the helpers i need at the moment".
Huh, and yet there were "Volunteers urgently required" posters plastered in the shop window!
Perhaps he just don't like straights (sniffle)..

PS- and I once applied to help at a charity shop run by a lesbian woman and got turned down there too, I just can't win (blub)..

Maybe he just hadnt taken it down yet? Cannot really jump to conclusions. Sometimes they are looking for a particular type of person to work there. The christian ones I shop at usually have disabled people doing volunteer work there, since a lot of places are reluctant to hire them. Better that they volunteer than do nothing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Bisexuals do factor in as anyone who reads scriptures know.
If anything Bisexuals prove their sexual behavior is a choice.
Just as do lesbians who cheat on their girlfriend with a man and conceive in the process.

Behavior is a choice, but attraction isn't. You can't change or choose your attractions. I'm bisexual and I had no choice in being attracted to males and females.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Or, better yet, an ex-heterosexual.

That's not better yet, that's outside the scope of what was being discussed.

Ex-heterosexuals are also proof it is a choice to commit immoral homosexual sin. Just as sexually promiscuous heterosexuals prove it is a choice to be sexually immoral and have no self respect in an age of HIV/AIDS.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is actually a new scenario that I've just learned. It's interesting.

Why do you believe that some from LBGT community is discriminating against these "ex-gays"?

So the question would be to folks of the LBGT community.

No one is discriminating against them. They are self-hating pawns who are being used to attack the LGBT community and parrot falsehoods. But no one is saying that they can't do so.

 

[dgirl1986]

Bisexuals do factor in as anyone who reads scriptures know.
If anything Bisexuals prove their sexual behavior is a choice.
Just as do lesbians who cheat on their girlfriend with a man and conceive in the process.

Why would you assume it is a choice for bisexuals?

Care to explain that situation?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That's not better yet, that's outside the scope of what was being discussed.

No, it seems perfectly in the scope of what is being discussed. Why are "ex-homosexuals" better equipped to respond to the question of whether or not homosexuality is a choice than "ex-heterosexuals"? Seems distinctly biased to me.

Ex-heterosexuals are also proof it is a choice to commit immoral homosexual sin. Just as sexually promiscuous heterosexuals prove it is a choice to be sexually immoral and have no self respect in an age of HIV/AIDS.

You're talking garbage. If you wish to prove that homosexuality is a choice, then please try being gay for a week.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Behavior is a choice, but attraction isn't. You can't change or choose your attractions. I'm bisexual and I had no choice in being attracted to males and females.

You're transsexual and bisexual. Interesting mix that. Born into one body/sex, believe there is another sex inhabiting your body. While sexually active with both male and female.

Perhaps you should revoke the Luciferian hedonistic carnal myth that allows you to exploit those things and find some peace in your life.

You have no choice? I've never met a situation where I have no choice. No one has.

 

[dgirl1986]

That's not better yet, that's outside the scope of what was being discussed.

Ex-heterosexuals are also proof it is a choice to commit immoral homosexual sin. Just as sexually promiscuous heterosexuals prove it is a choice to be sexually immoral and have no self respect in an age of HIV/AIDS.

What the hell is an ex heterosexual?

You are just talking about guys then right? Because STDs among lesbians are pretty low.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I've never met a situation where I have no choice. No one has.

Then please go ahead and choose not to eat, not to sleep, not to breathe and not to believe the things that you believe. When you understand why these things are not a matter of choice, perhaps you may understand why it's not a matter of choice to be attracted to people of the same sex as yourself.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Why would you assume it is a choice for bisexuals?

Care to explain that situation?

Sure. Do you choose who you sleep with? (Going on the presumption that you have sex).
Bisexuality can be an example of someone horn without discretionary assets. Like those who are born without a conscience because the conscience center in their frontal lobe is in deficit.

Or, it could be they have a sexual disorder, like those who are sex addicts, and they're bisexual simply because they're happy to satisfy their addiction by any possible option.

Either way, its a choice to act on the compulsion. Otherwise, someone is simply an unconsciously acting out sexually. And that in itself is a disorder.

 

[Apple Sugar]

What the hell is an ex heterosexual?

You'd have to ask the one that interjected that into this discussion.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You're transsexual and bisexual. Interesting mix that. Born into one body/sex, believe there is another sex inhabiting your body.

And what of it? Trans men and trans women can be of any sexual orientation. Most of us are straight, but plenty of us are gay, lesbian, bisexual/pansexual and asexual, as well.

While sexually active with both male and female.

Actually, I'm not sexually active with anyone (but myself, lol). Stop assuming.

Perhaps you should revoke the Luciferian hedonistic carnal myth that allows you to exploit those things and find some peace in your life.

What makes you think I'm not at peace? I'm quite at peace with my gender reality and sexual orientation.

You have no choice? I've never met a situation where I have no choice. No one has.

Nope. Gender identity is decided by brain structure and sexual orientation is not a choice. You don't choose to be male or female or gay, straight or bi. You just are.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Then please go ahead and choose not to eat, not to sleep, not to breathe and not to believe the things that you believe. When you understand why these things are not a matter of choice, perhaps you may understand why it's not a matter of choice to be attracted to people of the same sex as yourself.

Compulsions and acting on them are the issue.
Choosing to eat isn't at all relevant to the comparative analogy. And choosing to breathe is a desperate attempt at comparison. When you don't know the difference between compulsion and the involuntary nervous system and organ function you make a very weak argument here.