Tolerance

[tarasan]

Are you mixed up in the head?

Love


Dallas

erm..... no are you.......

 

[DallasApple]

considering when that tolerance of said group allows them to do what others would not,

Here is when you trip and fall on your face brother..

Love

Dallas

 

[tarasan]

I am not calling you intolerent tarasan, I'm explaining to you why those gay guys likely reacted to you like they did. Christians have been persecuting gay people for decades, and even if it's not all Christians, it's enough of them to make gays bitter. Do not blame them for decades of intolerence on the part of Christians.

so im totally allowed to yell and degrade English people purely because they are English? they more or less raped my country of all its reasources, split it in tow and were more or less the sole cause of the troubles here, am i allowed to be bitter and hate on them, yell at them?

no.... because that would be shallow and disrespectful of me, and it would conteract what I want which is peace, those three guys should have that mentality, and it wont come to them unless people decide to challenge them for their actions.


I really should not have used this example, I had so many other examples why go on my experience.,....

 

[tarasan]

Here is when you trip and fall on your face brother..

Love

Dallas

ok now you have completely lost me, please explain what your going on about...

 

[Rainbow Mage]

That is a bad analogy to use, comparing those two. The English were the enemy in the revolution, gay people are not the enemy of Christians, but Christians have made themselves an enemy of gay people.

 

[Smoke]

excellent some people did bad things to you so now i do bad things to you people.... awesome mentality, and yes it is a lack of tolerance, on thier part.

Of course it is. So it doesn't seem very appropriate to blame their behavior on tolerance.

considering when that tolerance of said group allows them to do what others would not, if I started yelling at a homosexual for what he was, I would be pulled up for it, however when they do it, nothing.... even when i was disscussing it with my secular friends they were ok with it, ****** me off.

I'm still not clear what freedoms you've been deprived of. I don't think you mean that tolerance of gay people deprives you of the freedom to yell at gay people, but it's not clear what you do mean.

I was with a gay friend, i had walked out of a gay bar...... talking to said gay friend, who they knew...... if i was in any way intolerant of them, why would i be there? why would i be talking with their friend? it doesnt make sense.

Most homophobes boast that they have gay friends and family members, and usually say their gay friends and family respect the homophobes' position, too. I'm not saying you're a homophobe, just saying that being seen talking to a gay person wouldn't be seen as evidence that you're not, while going to Bible college is often an indication that you are. Again, I'm not justifying people criticizing you in a social situation for attending a Bible college. Their behavior, if it was as you describe it, was ridiculous and rude. I'm just saying I can see how they got there.

 

[tarasan]

That is a bad analogy to use, comparing those two. The English were the enemy in the revolution, gay people are not the enemy of Christians, but Christians have made themselves an enemy of gay people.

whenever you describe it like that its a perfect analogy, nowadays English people dont care or barely know of what they have done to us however we all still know, the English people dont consider us enemies anymore but man it still hurts with us, centuries of slaughter doesnt go away, but like i said we try and rise above our feelings of such things.

 

[DallasApple]

ok now you have completely lost me, please explain what your going on about...

The land of the lost?..(like the show?)

Love

Dallas

 

[tarasan]

Of course it is. So it doesn't seem very appropriate to blame their behavior on tolerance.

I'm still not clear what freedoms you've been deprived of. I don't think you mean that tolerance of gay people deprives you of the freedom to yell at gay people, but it's not clear what you do mean.


Most homophobes boast that they have gay friends and family members, and usually say their gay friends and family respect the homophobes' position, too. I'm not saying you're a homophobe, just saying that being seen talking to a gay person wouldn't be seen as evidence that you're not, while going to Bible college is often an indication that you are. Again, I'm not justifying people criticizing you in a social situation for attending a Bible college. Their behavior, if it was as you describe it, was ridiculous and rude. I'm just saying I can see how they got there.

its the fact that they werent criticised, because it was a gay person bashing a Christian, its kinda like a women cant be sexist and a black guy cant be racist against white people. Those people werent seen as being intolerant because I was a Christian at least that is how it was seemed to me.

This is were I think tolerance has gone to far, whenever they are given special treatment over another because of who they are, or perhaps because of who the other person is, its unhealthy, and it teaches people that they can get away treating certain people a certian way, so long as they are labeled X.

 

[tarasan]

The land of the lost?..(like the show?)

Love

Dallas

seriously your starting to freak me out a little bit....

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Tarasan when the majority of people in your religion rises above bigotry and intolerence of gays, then we'll rise above intolerence of fundamentalists. Ok?

 

[*Anne*]

Tarasan, I didn't read the entire thread, but I did read this:

No they just called me a bigot and threatened me, yellin agressive and all that, attack was a strong word, there was a bit of emotion in with that last message. To be honest it was kind wierd having a guy with an effeminate accent treat me like that :angel2: although that wasnt the reason why i created this thread but its a good example, somehow to be tolerant nowadays it seems that i must completely agree with everyone or be involved/ not involved with certian groups or else im a bigot.

From what you've shared so far, it sounds like some of these people were being rude. Regardless of our past experiences, it's up to all of us as adults to practice manners and some self control with each person we meet, at least in the beginning. We should give everyone a chance to show us who they are.

If you had been obnoxious to them, then I'd understand the behavior. It does not, however, sound like you did anything wrong.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

The intolerence started with your party mistreating a group of people who's only crime according to your religion was being what they can't help but be.

 

[DallasApple]

Most homophobes boast that they have gay friends and family members,

Thats my problem..I actually do have very close family people that are gay..But Im not a homophobe..But maybe I am..Because gay people are all around me in my family circle.

Its like they (gay people) are in my quilt ..of life..(CHEESY but true)./.

Love

Dallas

 

[tarasan]

Tarasan when the majority of people in your religion rises above bigotry and intolerence of gays, then we'll rise above intolerence of fundamentalists. Ok?

ok first of all... you that is a very peaceful or mature way to think

and ill think youll find that fundamentalism is the lowest percentage of Christianity, and its forever shrinking....

 

[DallasApple]

seriously your starting to freak me out a little bit....

Im a slee stack..

Love

Dallas

 

[Smoke]

so im totally allowed to yell and degrade English people purely because they are English? they more or less raped my country of all its reasources, split it in tow and were more or less the sole cause of the troubles here, am i allowed to be bitter and hate on them, yell at them?

It's okay with me. I mean, I don't recommend it, but you're certainly allowed to.

no.... because that would be shallow and disrespectful of me, and it would conteract what I want which is peace, those three guys should have that mentality, and it wont come to them unless people decide to challenge them for their actions.

Gay people are challenged for our actions all the time. Hence the overreaction. Telling them they're not allowed to criticize Christians isn't going to make their anger go away. If you'd like to change things, join the fight for equality for gay people. Stand up and challenge the homophobia of your church and your Bible college. When gay people are no longer marginalized and persecuted, they won't have so much to be angry about. As it is, gay people have plenty to be angry about. Christians have deprived us of equality and justice; do you really think it's appropriate to try to deprive us of our anger, too?

 

[tarasan]

Tarasan, I didn't read the entire thread, but I did read this:



From what you've shared so far, it sounds like some of these people were being rude. Regardless of our past experiences, it's up to all of us as adults to practice manners and some self control with each person we meet, at least in the beginning. We should give everyone a chance to show us who they are.

If you had been obnoxious to them, then I'd understand the behavior. It does not, however, sound like you did anything wrong.

thanks!! indeed!!

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Amen Smoke.

 

[Smoke]

This is were I think tolerance has gone to far, whenever they are given special treatment over another because of who they are, or perhaps because of who the other person is, its unhealthy, and it teaches people that they can get away treating certain people a certian way, so long as they are labeled X.

Seriously? If you think the problem is that gay people have so many special privileges, you have a desperate need to educate yourself on gay issues.