Tolerance

[Smoke]

Thats my problem..I actually do have very close family people that are gay..But Im not a homophobe..But maybe I am..Because gay people are all around me in my family circle.

Its like they (gay people) are in my quilt ..of life..(CHEESY but true)./.

Straight people who aren't homophobes have gay friends and family, too. It's just that y'all don't use them as a cover for homophobia.

 

[DallasApple]

Seriously? If you think the problem is that gay people have so many special privileges, you have a desperate need to educate yourself on gay issues.

But..you are alllowed to be gay without being murdered..Arent you?

Love


Love

Dallas

 

[tarasan]

It's okay with me. I mean, I don't recommend it, but you're certainly allowed to.


Gay people are challenged for our action all the time. Hence the overreaction. Telling them they're not allowed to criticize Christians isn't going to make their anger go away. If you'd like to change things, join the fight for equality for gay people. Stand up and challenge the homophobia of your church and your Bible college. When gay people are no longer marginalized and persecuted, they won't have so much to be angry about. As it is, gay people have plenty to be angry about. Christians have deprived us of equality and justice; do you really think it's appropriate to try to deprive us of our anger, too?

ok im going to repeat this one more time for you, i dont care that they criticised my religion on gay hating, I would have been right along there with them. I was the fact that they yelled and through abuse at me purely because of what i was, criticism is fine, i recieve it all the time, however insults and abuse and threats? no

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Tarasan I can't believe you made that statement. We as gay people still live in a country where we're denied marriage, denied full protection from hate crime, and when hate crime does happen, some conservative finds a way to blame it on us because we're gay.

 

[tarasan]

Im a slee stack..

Love

Dallas

your trying to mind control me arnt you......

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Tarasan where was my equal rights and protection when homophobes flipped me off and called me queer out of the windows of their cars, or dumped ice and soda on me at the local gas station, or threatened my life if I ever step foot in the local bars?

 

[tarasan]

Seriously? If you think the problem is that gay people have so many special privileges, you have a desperate need to educate yourself on gay issues.

again your twisting what im saying, Im saying that they shouldnt get away with treating people of a certain like that purely because they are gay, Im all for them having equal rights with us, what im not ok with is when they have power to treat another section of people the way they want and get away with it.

 

[DallasApple]

Straight people who aren't homophobes have gay friends and family, too. It's just that y'all don't use them as a cover for homophobia.

Never..But I question myself sometimes when I find myself saying things like..My sons best friends are gay..An my granbaby's Godfather is "gay" and such..

I dont want to be a sheep I suppose..

Love

Dallas

 

[Smoke]

But..you are alllowed to be gay without being murdered..Arent you?

Quite often. I have been so far, but many others haven't been so lucky.

ok im going to repeat this one more time for you, i dont care that they criticised my religion on gay hating, I would have been right along there with them. I was the fact that they yelled and through abuse at me purely because of what i was, criticism is fine, i recieve it all the time, however insults and abuse and threats? no

I agree. I've already said their behavior was rude and intolerant.

However, I disagree that increased intolerance of gay people would improve the situation. In fact, the more I think about it, and the more you regard this as an example of tolerance of gay people having run amuck, the more I think you probably deserve to be yelled at, regardless of whether you had done anything to deserve it in that particular instance.

 

[DallasApple]

your trying to mind control me arnt you......

Yes..I have the crystal that will time warp you back or forward to the time you are supposed to be in..

Didnt you fall down a waterfall??

Love

Dallas

 

[tarasan]

Tarasan where was my equal rights and protection when homophobes flipped me off and called me queer out of the windows of their cars, or dumped ice and soda on me at the local gas station, or threatened my life if I ever step foot in the local bars?

i can personally tell you that if you were with me I would have swore and yelled and told those people to shut up and lets be honest probably try and beat the crap outta those guys.

the fact is everyone should have the security of knowing that people will stand up for what they are and if tehy have a problem with what they are, they should respectfully critique it, not degrade. all im asking is that we should not be so scared of tolerance that we refuse to call people out when it comes to things like degrading language, wether they be christian or muslim or gay......... mexican..... indian etc.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Tarasan I'm not agreeing with how those gay guys reacted to you, but I understand how they came to feel that way.

 

[DallasApple]

i can personally tell you that if you were with me I would have swore and yelled and told those people to shut up and lets be honest probably try and beat the crap outta those guys.

the fact is everyone should have the security of knowing that people will stand up for what they are and if tehy have a problem with what they are, they should respectfully critique it, not degrade. all im asking is that we should not be so scared of tolerance that we refuse to call people out when it comes to things like degrading language, wether they be christian or muslim or gay......... mexican..... indian etc.

OMG!! we cant curse???

Love

dallas

 

[tarasan]

Quite often. I have been so far, but many others haven't been so lucky.

I agree. I've already said their behavior was rude and intolerant.

However, I disagree that increased intolerance of gay people would improve the situation. In fact, the more I think about it, and the more you regard this as an example of tolerance of gay people having run amuck, the more I think you probably deserve to be yelled at, regardless of whether you had done anything to deserve it in that particular instance.

no its not intolerant to be called up whenever your yelling at someone for a stupid intolerant reason, im called up all the time when i yell at people for stupid reasons when i was very young i yelled fenian at one of my friends with is a sectarian slur for being catholic, and i was told to stop it. Now was the being intolerant of me? No it was teaching me that there are better ways of sorting disagreements than attack the other side with degrading remarks.

I dont call that intolerant I call that standing up for people.

 

[tarasan]

OMG!! we cant curse???

Love

dallas

I know i suck at my religion.

 

[tarasan]

Yes..I have the crystal that will time warp you back or forward to the time you are supposed to be in..

Didnt you fall down a waterfall??

Love

Dallas

ohhhhh dear lord your in my head!!!!

(curls up in ball and shakes)

 

[Smoke]

the fact is everyone should have the security of knowing that people will stand up for what they are and if tehy have a problem with what they are, they should respectfully critique it, not degrade. all im asking is that we should not be so scared of tolerance that we refuse to call people out when it comes to things like degrading language, wether they be christian or muslim or gay......... mexican..... indian etc.

I agree. But tell me this: What does your church say about gay people? What does your Bible college say about gay people? If you were gay, and somebody told you he went to Bible college, what would you infer about that person?

 

[tarasan]

Tarasan I'm not agreeing with how those gay guys reacted to you, but I understand how they came to feel that way.

I get that they feel that way and I understand why, the fact is they shouldnt have done it and they shouldnt have gotten away with it, and their behaviour should be defended, they should be taught that love and respect is the only way you are going to win people over, hatred only begets more hatred.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Yeah tarasan like Christians show us love and respect huh, to win us over? Give me a break! They deliberately shut their church doors in our faces.

 

[tarasan]

I agree. But tell me this: What does your church say about gay people? What does your Bible college say about gay people? If you were gay, and somebody told you he went to Bible college, what would you infer about that person?

my church says that even though we disagree with you we should reach out a hand and love you as much as we love everyone else, my bible college is the same although i cant say that about every indivdual. I dont know how much Gay people know about bible college so i cant answer that.