Smoke
Done here.
That's an admirable goal. In what ways are you standing up for gay people in your society, your church, and your Bible college?
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Tolerance
- Thread starter tarasan
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tarasan
Well-Known Member
look mate if you want to hate us that fine, but dont be suprised if we dont change, and just for your information there are alot fo christians in teh church trying to fix it from within, but go ahead undo all their good work with your hate, continue the cycle.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Tarasan if you really mean what you say you'll stop claiming you believe homosexuality is wrong, like I've seen you do in other threads. Is there something keeping you from admitting homosexuality is ok?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Until you say homosexuality is perfectly natural and acceptable it's hard for me to accept that you're sincere.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Is there something holding you back from saying homosexuality is okay, even though you seem if the opinion we deserve to be protected, then why is homosexuality wrong?
tarasan
Well-Known Member
by calling those people who hate them wrong, by saying that love conquers all, i stand up for them, i refuse to let them be pigeon holed, or to let people think that their sexuality is all to a person, so tell me do you stand up for christians like me? or do let your friends pigeon hole us all into the hate camp so that after all the crap we sometimes take about how were goin to hell, we get it shoved back in our faces when gays call us bigots and haters?
tarasan
Well-Known Member
I dont care how I feel you should ahve the right to espress yourself, no individual should live in fear or ridicule, even if what they do I disagree with, although im not quite sure anymore.
but even when i was solidly against homosexuality i still didnt care, you should be allowed to live alongside us, regardless of what i think, thats called tolerance.
Isn't is possible for a person to think homosexuality is wrong yet still feel all people, gay or straight, deserve to be treated with basic respect?
tarasan
Well-Known Member
of course it is that how alot of Christians feel.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
My question is why believe it's wrong to begin with?
tarasan
Well-Known Member
why would that matter?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Anyway tarasan I'm choosing to back out of this thread before I say something against forum rules. This issue is extremely personal to me and I get defensive with good reason, but I'm done.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
thats fair enough.
Smoke
Done here.
And the gay priests in your church? The gay instructors at your Bible college? The gay students at your Bible college? What about them?
I've never had the opportunity. Most of the people I know are Christians, including most of the gay people I know. If I were in a bar and people started yelling at you merely for going to Bible college, I would stand up for you. But I would be objecting to their behavior, and not to their assumption that you're fine with homophobia, which I think is likely to be an accurate assumption.
Okay, so you're not a bigot. Tell me what the policies of your church and your Bible college are towards gay people.
Smoke
Done here.
It's possible. It's extremely rare for such people to define basic respect as equality under the law, though, or a right to participation in the church on an equal basis with straight people. When they say basic respect, they usually mean really basic. For instance, my brother assured me that he doesn't want people to beat me and my husband up, and that far from actively opposing gay equality, he usually doesn't think about it at all.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
To teh first statment there are none, its a christian college they disagree with homosexuality I know gay are allowed to go to church and be members of the congregation but im sure about clergy, I dont know if my bible college accepts gay students, Im a gap year from it, and will be returning in september.
and to the last question they are allowed to participate but not be clergy. atleast that is what i think anglicanism is confusing
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Far as I know the US Episcopal Church is a sect within Anglican Communion and I know they accept gays and ordain them. So unless the Church of England has radically different policies I don't know about, I'm not sure tarasan isn't projecting.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
ohhh yeah it totally is different
Smoke
Done here.
The Church of England does have different policies. In fact, the Archbishop of Canterbury just this week had a hissy fit about that Episcopalian lesbian bishop.
It's possible. It's extremely rare for such people to define basic respect as equality under the law, though, or a right to participation in the church on an equal basis with straight people. When they say basic respect, they usually mean really basic. For instance, my brother assured me that he doesn't want people to beat me and my husband up, and that far from actively opposing gay equality, he usually doesn't think about it at all.
*nods* I was referring to basic civility.
I think legal equality will come as younger generations mature and reach voting age. )(