CG Didymus
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But not in Jerusalem? How do Baha'is explain away references to Jerusalem and Mt. Zion? No, what I should ask is... Why do Baha'is explain away any references about the Messiah that mentions Jerusalem or Mt. Zion?
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True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination
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Brian2
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Well Baha'u'llah has his grave in Israel. It is a stretch to say that he is established in Israel.
Baha'is pick and choose verses that they think show that Baha'u'llah is whom he claims to be. They ignore the verses that show that Baha'u'llah is not whom he claims to be and say that they are not true.
An example of this is Acts 1:9-11,
Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
And actually there are no verses that show that Baha'u'llah is whom he claims to be. Any verses that Baha'is claim for Baha'u'llah have already been taken by Jesus according to the Bible and/or have been severely and obviously misinterpreted.
An example again is that Baha'u'llah claims to be the Spirit of Truth, who is the Paraclete (also translated Advocate, Comforter, Encourager, Helper etc) in the Bible and is the Holy Spirit in the Bible. (John 15:26)
Jesus said that the Spirit of Truth would dwell with and in the disciples that Jesus was speaking to. (John 14:15-17) and will remind those disciples of the things that Jesus said to them. (John 14:25,26)
The promised Holy Spirit who is the Comforter and the Spirit of Truth did come on Pentecost (Acts 2) and that is over 1800 years before Baha'u'llah came, so Baha'u'llah is not the promised Spirit of Truth.
But Baha'is don't really care what the Bible really says about the claims of Baha'u'llah and who the Spirit of Truth really is and what the returned Jesus would actually do etc. All that matters is what Baha'u'llah and his disciples said and say, that is accepted above what the Bible says any day. Baha'is keep saying that the Bible shows whom Baha'u'llah claimed to be, but the honest answer is that the Bible shows the opposite (that Baha'u'llah is not whom he claimed) and the Baha'is ignore the Bible.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
They are not Bible words.
They are words that were in the Bible, but the Bible writers did not have exclusive rights to use those words.
Baha'u'llah did explain the meanings of those words that were recorded in the Bible.
These are not Bible words. They are words that Baha'u'llah used in His Writings, so they are Baha'u'llah's words.
Baha'u'llah had no need or desire to talk like Bible prophets. He talked as He chose to talk.
There is no more need for the law of the prophets as recorded in the Bible.
Baha'u'llah revealed new laws which were received from God. He needed nothing from the Bible.
Yes, there is a difference but to that I say so what?
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
What I am showing you of the Bible could prove Muhammad is a prophet.
Because Muhammad says:
"By the Fig and the Olive" Muhammad 95:1
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things. Muhammad 24:35
So it is clear Muhammad knows where to put his words according to the law of the prophets.
Moon - Star - Sun
Spear - Sword - Bow
Brass - Silver - Gold
Corn - Olive - Grape
Pomegranate - Fig - Apple
Olive, Figs, and Stars are words of the same position. Muhammad is correct in what he says.
This is the sort of speech I would need to see Baha'u'llah speak. He needs to show that he knows the law of the words.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I am m not judging Christians. I am judging the truthfulness of what is taught in Christianity.
Christianity teaches that The Bible is the only Word of God that has ever existed, that Jesus is the only way to God, and that Jesus is going to return to earth, all of which are blatantly false.
The fruit of Christianity is that it turns people away from the truth about Baha'u'llah since it arrogantly teaches that everything revolves around Jesus.
It sickens me to death.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You mean according to your standards of proof.
Christians believe that Muhammad is a prophet because they don't judge by your standards.
Everyone has their own requirements for proving a prophet.
Your requirements for proving a prophet are peculiar to you.
Baha'u'llah does not need to show anything but what He has shown.
Fallible humans don't set the standards for how a prophet/messenger of God should speak.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Because there are Christians that can't hear Jesus saying things like the bread is the flesh and the wine is the blood.
Bread - Oil - Wine
Flesh - Bone - Blood
They don't know the prophets law of words that Jesus and Muhammad are speaking of.
He needs to show he knows the law of the prophets. The law has never changed.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Are you now disconnecting Baha'u'llah from what the Bible says?
But you also said:
So did he speak of the Bible words or not?
If he did then what words did he explain? Can you show me some examples?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes I am, because it is not connected, since Baha'u'llah received a new Revelation from God
He did explain what some words mean but not the words you want explained the way you want them explained.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
So you are now saying Baha'u'llah is not connected to what the Bible says. But somehow you also say he explains the words in the Bible.
You didn't explain.
I am open to listening to another explanation. Show me some examples of Baha'u'llah clearly explaining what some of the Bible words mean.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is not what I said. I did not say that "all" the prophecies have been fulfilled.
There are two kinds of prophecies, prophecies for the return of Christ and prophecies for the messianic age.
The prophecies that refer to the return of Christ were fulfilled before Baha'u'llah appeared, when He appeared, and during His lifetime, since they were intended to help us recognize the return of Christ.
The prophecies for the messianic age refer to the new age which the Bab and Baha'u'llah ushered in.
The prophecies for the messianic age have not all been fulfilled yet since we are only 172 years into the new age, which will last no less than 1000 years, starting from 1852 AD, the year that Baha'u'llah first received His first Revelation from God.
Christians believe that the following verses are about Jesus, but since Jesus was the Son of man, as Jesus claimed to be, the following verses cannot be about the Jesus.
Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Those verses are about Baha'u'llah who was one like Jesus, thus Baha'u'llah was the return of the Son of man.
Jesus ascended into heaven. Baha’u’llah, one like the son of man, descended from the heaven of the Will of God, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Those verses are about an earthly Kingdom, not a heavenly Kingdom. Jesus’ Kingdom is in heaven, Baha’u’llah’s Kingdom will be on earth, after it is built by humans.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
“The Throne upon which He sat is the Eternal Throne from which Christ reigns for ever, a heavenly throne, not an earthly one, for the things of earth pass away but heavenly things pass not away. He re-interpreted and completed the Law of Moses and fulfilled the Law of the Prophets. His word conquered the East and the West. His Kingdom is everlasting."
What you have is the Christian teaching, not the biblical teaching.
Baha'u'llah died and his body is in the grave. Likewise Jesus died and His physical body is now dead, whether or not it rose from the dead.
The souls of both Jesus and Baha'u'llah are alive in heaven where they exist in spiritual bodies and will continue to exist forever.
The resurrection of bodies from their graves is a false Christian doctrine, perhaps the worst doctrine that has ever been taught by Christianity, and the most absurd. The truth about the resurrection is explained in this short paragraph below by a Christian who understood the Bible. This is a Christian teaching, not a Baha'i teaching, but it is what I believe happens when we die.
The Resuscitation of Man from the Dead and His Entrance into Eternal Life
421. When the body is no longer able to perform the bodily functions in the natural world that correspond to the spirit’s thoughts and affections, which the spirit has from the spiritual world, man is said to die. This takes place when the respiration of the lungs and the beatings of the heart cease. But the man does not die; he is merely separated from the bodily part that was of use to him in the world, while the man himself continues to live. It is said that the man himself continues to live since man is not a man because of his body but because of his spirit, for it is the spirit that thinks in man, and thought with affection is what constitutes man. Evidently, then, the death of man is merely his passing from one world into another. And this is why in the Word in its internal sense “death” signifies resurrection and continuation of life. Heaven and Hell, p. 351
To sum up what he wrote, the death of man is merely his soul passing from one world into another and this signifies resurrection and continuation of life
When the soul passes from this world into the spiritual world it takes on a new form comprised of spiritual elements. Since there is nothing physical (e.g., oxygen, water, food) in the spiritual world (heaven) a physical body cannot exist there and is of no use to anyone. Jesus is alive in heaven in a spiritual body that is immortal, not alive in a physical body.
The two different kinds of bodies is a Bahai belief but it is supported by the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15
New Living Translation
The Resurrection Body
35 But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?”
40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies. 41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.
42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. 43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. 44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.
50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.
51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!
(Continued on next post)
Trailblazer
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I do not assume that Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ, I believe that He is. As a belief it cannot be proven, not anymore than your Christian beliefs can be proven.
The only point that the UHJ article was making was that Sears' interpretation of Micah is not authoritative so it is not binding upon the Baha'is.
Baha’is Misinterpret Micah 7:12
Baha’is believe that Micah 7:12 is about Baha’u’llah. They believe this verse chronicles the travels of Baha’u’llah from Persia to the Holy Land, as a prisoner of the …christianexbahai.wordpress.com
Regarding William Sears, the UHJ concludes with "He is free to arrive at his own conclusions as to the meaning of the passages."
Sorry, I could not find any verses that say that Jesus is to return on the Mount of Olives.
Mt Carmel is definitely the right mountain.
It had been prophesied that when the Messiah came, the desert would blossom as the rose. Isaiah foretold clearly:
"The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose." (Isaiah 35:1)
It is in the next verse of this prophecy that Isaiah says that when this happens, Carmel and Sharon shall see the Glory of the Lord.
“It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.” (Isaiah 35:2)
Carmel and Sharon had seen the appearance of Bahá'u'lláh, the Glory of the Lord, but had the desert blossomed as the rose? My study revealed that the followers of Bahá'u'lláh came from as far away as his native land even while he was yet in prison. They knew that Bahá'u'lláh loved children, green fields, trees and flowers. They were heavyhearted because of the nine years he had to spend in the prison-city surrounded by the sandy plain and the fetid atmosphere of that 'foul city'. Bahá'u'lláh's followers brought flowers and plants from Persia, and his son, Abdu'l-Bahá planted a lovely garden nearby. An eye-witness to the events of those days has written: "These wonderful pilgrims! How they came on that long toilsome journey on foot, braving numberless dangers, malignant human enemies and bad weather, and through all the fatigue, carrying, as the greatest treasure, some plant for their adored one's garden. Often the only water, which the devoted pilgrims so urgently needed for themselves, was given to the plant." The Chosen Highway, Lady Blomfield, p. 96.
I made a personal visit to that garden on the island of Na'mayn outside the city of Akká. The land is arid, thirsting for water; yet, in the midst of this desert grows a magnificent garden. Laurence Oliphant refers to it in his book on Israel. He says: "This island (garden), which is about two hundred yards long by scarcely a hundred wide, is all laid out in flower-beds and planted with ornamental shrubs and with fruit-trees. Coming upon it suddenly it is like a scene in fairy land." Haifa, or Life in Modern Palestine, Lawrence Oliphant, 1887, pp. 103-104.
In another place, Oliphant says of this garden: "The stream is fringed with weeping willows, and the spot, with its wealth of water, its thick shade, and air fragrant with jasmine and orange blossoms, forms an ideal retreat from the heats of summer. The sights and sounds are all suggestive of languor... The senses are lulled by the sounds of murmuring water, the odours of fragrant plants, the flickering shadows of foliage, or the gorgeous tints of flowers..." Haifa, or Life in Modern Palestine, Lawrence Oliphant,1887, p. 104.
From the sandy plain of Akká, I drove to the rocky side of Mount Carmel. There on the side of this sacred mountain, were lovely gardens, walks and paths of magnificent beauty virtually carved out of the rock. Even while I was flying from Rome en route to the Holy Land, the beauty of this spot was called to my attention. I was given a folder from the British European Airways. On the cover was a picture of the entrance to the gardens of the Bahá'í Faith on Mount Carmel. The folder described it as: "The most beautiful spot in the Middle East."
Between the two great Bahá'í gardens that go halfway up the mountainside, runs a broad highway. Through the gates leading from this highway stream pilgrims and visitors from all parts of the world. They come with hearts full of joy and gladness, and the sound of their beautiful chanting can be heard on that mountainside. This, too, was foreseen by Isaiah:
"And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein." (Isaiah 35:8).
"And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away." (Isaiah 35:10).
Surrounding these beautiful Shrines and gardens are orange, lemon and pomegranate trees. Beautiful coloured paths of red and white stone wind through multi-coloured flowers, graceful lawns and dark green hedges. Wherever the feet of Bahá'u'lláh walked can be found these lovely gardens.
The Shrine of Bahá'u'lláh, the sanctuary where he is buried, is a place of great beauty and peace. It lies in the centre of a giant circle with many walks leading to it. This land was once an arid desert, but now it blossoms out in splendour. It is perfumed by rose, hyacinth, jasmine and geranium. Smooth white stones from the Sea of Galilee make a pathway directly to the door of his Shrine. Three hills carpeted in crimson shelter his sanctuary from wind and storm. These sacred Shrines are surrounded by cedars of Lebanon, fir trees, pine trees, cypress, box, and olive trees.
Isaiah had foretold: "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious." (Isaiah 11:10)
In still another chapter, Isaiah prophesies: "Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee." (Isaiah 60:1)
And a few verses later he foresees the following: "The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious." (Isaiah 60:13)
Bahá'u'lláh's name means 'the Glory of the Lord'. The place of his 'rest' had been made glorious, as well as the place where his feet had walked.
From: http://bahai-library.com/pdf/s/sears_thief_night.pdf
CG Didymus
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No. Baha'is make claims that certain verses are prophecies, and that they have been fulfilled.
Exactly, they pick and choose.
But this is one of them they don't pick.
They also claim the the "Three Woes" in Revelation are Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Here was my response to Tony, Transmuting Soul, in another thread...
So easy to say, but what does it say in Revelation about what happens during that second and third "Woe"? It should be things that happened during the Bab's and Baha'u'llah's lifetime, right? But no...
Rev 11: 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”
Now this is happening during the second "Woe". But Baha'is claim that the two witnesses are Muhammad and Ali... Which should be during the first Woe, but the first Woe ended back in chapter 9. And shortly after in chapter 11, the second Woe ends and the third Woe begins.
Rev 9:12 The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.
Rev 11:14 The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.
Well, things sound promising for the Baha'is... The next verse says...
Rev 11:15 “The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
But then what?
Rev 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Rev 12:7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
Rev 12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
Rev 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
What's that got to do with what happened during Baha'u'llah's life? And chapter 13 doesn't help. It goes into the beasts that Baha'is claim were the Umayyads that took control of Islam several hundred years before Baha'u'llah.
Rev 13:113 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
The context does not support the Baha'i claim in any way. The best Baha'is can do is say that Revelation isn't in chronological order. Which... sounds like a pretty weak claim. But... if that's all you got, then what can you do? And I know it is enough to satisfy Baha'is.
But... If you've got anything better than that, I'd love to hear it.
Tony hasn't responded yet. Oh, but another prophecy I've asked them to find me is... The prophecy that says that the End Times Promised One will come and not fix things. But, instead, will be rejected, exiled, imprisoned, and die without fixing things.I'm sure they can conjure up, I mean... find something, some verses that they can interpret in some symbolic way that they can use. But, so far, they haven't.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Baha'u'llah is not connected to what the Bible says, aside from being the fulfillment of Bible prophecies.
He explained what some words in the Bible mean because He knew that many people read the Bible and misconstrue its meaning.
Baha'u'llah explained what many words in the Bible mean in The Kitab-i-Iqan.
You can search for those words by using the Search box.
CG Didymus
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This is meaningless to Baha'is. Because they believe his physical body is dead and gone... That the resurrection was only symbolic... That he rose "spiritually" not "physically.
But is that what the NT says? No. In one Gospel it has Jesus say to touch him and see that he is real and not a ghost but has flesh and bone. Then in Acts it says that Jesus showed himself to be alive by many proofs.
So, how do Baha'is get around those verses? It was so meaningful, I forgot. But I'm sure they will remind me.
But again... It shows that the only way they can be right is if Born Again Christians are wrong.
And that's one thing that I came to dislike about the Baha'i Faith... All the religions are not true. All the religions are not one. Baha'is have just found a way to pretend that all the religions are one and that they all agree and are true.
I don't know if there has ever been a Christian sect that Baha'is can say, "Ah, now they had it right." For Baha'is, all of them had something wrong, especially those that believe Jesus is God... But even those that believe he rose from the dead.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It's not hard for Christians to be wrong, it is as easy as falling off a log.
The only way that Christians can be right is if every other religion on earth is wrong.
What are the chances of that? What kind of God would only care about only one third of the world population?
Christianity has not worked and it never will work because a loving and just God would not be behind any such religion.
Christianity is a false religion for one simple reason, the teaching that Jesus is the ONLY WAY to God for all of eternity.
How long do you have to be on this forum before you realize that:
Baha'is do not believe that all the religions are one.
Baha'is do not believe that all the religions are true.
Baha'is believe that the spiritual teachings of all the other religions are true, just not the man-made dogma.
Christians cannot be right in the eyes of a Baha'i because the central tenet of Christianity is that Jesus is the ONLY WAY to God for all of time.
That is so reprehensible and I am sorry you cannot understand that. A Baha'i would never say that Baha'u'llah is the only way to God, even for the present time!
Even though Baha'is revere Jesus and even if Baha'is agreed to the resurrection of Jesus it would not matter to Christians because Jesus has to be the ONLY WAY for all of time and eternity.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Is it your theological belief that 95:1 was Muhammed's word? Or is it God's word?
Brian2
Veteran Member
Yes that is right, you are judging the truthfulness of the Bible (what is taught in Christianity) and you are doing that based on what Baha'u'llah and others who are his disciples say. You judge Christianity (the teachings of the New Testament) as untrue. Everything you say shows that Baha'u'llah's fruit is discrediting the Bible.
No Christianity does not teach that the Bible is the only Word of God imo. God has spoken to many cultures. However the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Messiah prophesied about and that the end of the age is going to occur when "the same Jesus that the disciples saw ascend into heaven" returns to earth. Jesus actually said that He was going to return to earth. John 14: 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
John 14:28 You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.
Your mental gymnastics with the verses you like to misinterpret about Jesus going to the Father and not being seen again clearly contradict Jesus plain statements that He is going to come back. But that is fine in your opinion because Baha'is don't care for what the Bible teaches, it is only what Baha'u'llah and friends say about the Bible that matters. Mental gymnastics while ignoring plain verses is the way Baha'is have to go.
Jesus also teaches that all judgement has been given to Him (the Son) by the Father and that He is going to judge all people at the end of the age. In this way nobody is going to come to the Father except through the Son. IOW it is not a matter of "Believe in Jesus or go to hell".
Yes the Bible clearly turns people away from false prophets and false Christs and it tells us how to recognize them.
Yes the Bible does teach that everything revolves around Jesus, the creator, saviour and judge of humanity and the Lord forever.
Baha'i has no problem with Christ being the centre around which everything revolves,,,,,,,,,,,,, but you want it to be a different Christ, contrary to the teachings of the Bible that it is going to be the same Jesus (Acts 1:9-11)
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Again, your POV and nothing else. What does he mean to a strong atheist who is a Hindu following the philosophy of non-duality (Advaita)?
I do not believe in God, soul, rebirth, resurrections, heaven, hell, return, end of days, judgment, salvation.
Not believing in all this clap-trap is my salvation.
Brian2
Veteran Member
OK if that is what you meant, my error. However the prophecies for the return of Christ had not been fulfilled for when Baha'u'llah came AND Baha'u'llah is not the same Jesus and did not come the same way the disciples say Him ascend to heaven.
Daniel 7:13 actually says "one like a son of man". The one who came to the Ancient of Days is someone who was like a man, and this was the resurrected Jesus in His resurrected body. Baha'u'llah was a man and when he died he was a spirit and not even like a man. And anyway Baha'u'llah was nothing like the unique, only begotten Son of God.
But interestingly about this passage, one of the titles that Baha'u'llah claims for himself is "the Ancient of Days". So you want Baha'u'llah (one like a son of man) to come before Baha'u'llah (the Ancient of Days) so that he can give himself an everlasting Kingdom. God and His Son Jesus have completely dropped out of the picture and Baha'u'llah is everything. That sounds a bit greedy to me.
Luke 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
That sounds like at least an earthly Kingdom to me, and it is one that is coming and is given to Jesus disciples,,,,,,,,,, it is not something that is built by humans. That is a Baha'i idea. The Kingdom of God is where God rules and there is just one Kingdom of God. It is where God lives with His Spirit, it is the Church, the Temple which Jesus the Messiah is building.
"not of this world" means that it is the Kingdom of God, not something built by humans, and it is a Kingdom that is coming to earth. (Rev 11:15) The Kingdoms of earth have become the Kingdom of Our Lord and His Christ.
The Bible teaching is that the earth and it's kingdoms will become the Kingdom of God.
Isa 9:1-7 is a prophecy about Jesus the Son from Galilee who is to sit on the throne of David and rule forever, just as Luke 1:32 says.
Baha'is wand Isa 9 to be about Baha'u'llah but want Jesus on the throne of David in heaven. The Baha'i teachings are all messed up when it comes to the Bible. They are a tangled web woven to deceive those who don't know enough to see through them.
What I have been teaching is the Biblical teaching and also the Christian one.
The Biblical teaching is opposed to the Baha'i teaching of what happens when we die. You are just showing the fruit of Baha'u'llah the false prophet again, the denial of the Bible.
Swedenborg is correct and Jesus said that when the body dies the soul lives on. (Matthew 10:28) But even though Swedenborg used the term "resurrection" that does not mean that he agreed with the Baha'i idea that all spirits go to heaven after death of the body. Baha'u'llah is in Sheol/Hades awaiting resurrection and judgement, Jesus ascended to heaven in His resurrection body and is sitting on the throne of David and ruling over the Kingdom of God.