Trump is losing the debate acting like a raving lunatic

[Spice]

OK, thanks for finally supplying the information that wasn't in the story you posted a link to. He was a Haitian immigrant who committed a crime. It still isn't relevant to the JD Vance/Trump attacks on Haitian immigrants, nor is it any reason to blame Haitian immigrants generally. These insane attacks on immigrants need to stop, because they are inciting people to threaten violence against them as a group. The fact that one individual immigrant committed a crime is not relevant, nor is it in dispute that there will be Haitian criminals, just as there are non-immigrant criminals. We are a country of immigrants, and we know from experience that some immigrants will commit crimes. There is no way to prevent that, and it is no excuse to close the borders or break out the pitchforks and flaming torches.



Sorry, but I felt as if I had pulled a large number of them to get your grudging admission that you are a Trump Republican presidential candidate supporter in this election. I know that you detest Trump, but your posts here indicate that you will make excuses for him and those that defend him. Forced to choose between Trump and Harris in any state, you would vote for Trump and hold your nose while doing it. Like any skilled illusionist, you want us to focus attention on what the hand holding your nose is doing rather than the other one.

This accident in @Kathryn 's link is what sparked the community unrest with its new Haitian neighbors. The photo of the man in the orange hoodie and cap that has been used in this rumor avalanche was speaking to the local officials about the driving problems with the new residents. The Father of the boy who was killed in this bus accident has gone on the record to say he wants his son to be left in peace, and that had it been a 60 year old white man it would have be left as an accident.

Up until today I had not opened Katherine's link. As you pointed out, there was no lead-in or explanation given, however, it is relevant in that it gave birth, so to speak, to the Springfield "Haitian problem" that Vance sunk his teeth into and Trump has spewed all over us.

 

[Copernicus]

This accident in @Kathryn 's link is what sparked the community unrest with its new Haitian neighbors. The photo of the man in the orange hoodie and cap that has been used in this rumor avalanche was speaking to the local officials about the driving problems with the new residents. The Father of the boy who killed in this bus accident has gone on the record to say he wants his son to be left in peace, and that had it been a 60 year old white man it would have be left as an accident.

Up until today I had not opened Katherine's link. As you pointed out, there was no lead-in or explanation given, however, it is relevant in that it gave birth, so to speak, to the Springfield "Haitian problem" that Vance sunk his teeth into and Trump has spewed all over us.

Thanks. That does tie the story to the racist attacks on Haitians. The Trump campaign knows full well that the pet-eating rumor was fake news, but they are doubling down on it to stoke up anti-immigrant sentiment. This and inflation are winning issues for them, so they want to keep the focus there and not on the abortion debate, where they are big losers with the public. It doesn't matter if everyone knows that the story is false. It just keeps the focus on immigrants even when someone says "but it is fake news!" Repeat a lie often enough, and people will come to see it as true, even after learning that it isn't. Human psychology is grounded in guilt by association, not logic.

 

[Ebionite]

The only immigrants you need to watch your pets for

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And this...

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/166/245/439/playable/36d97490531f534e.mp4

 

[Ebionite]

Trump is still stung over being fact-checked for his baseless lie about pet-eating immigrants.

Yes, also here's 25 lies that Trump told at the debate...

About those pet eating immigrants...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1834176196797722907

More from Springfield...

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2535085353359930&id=100005754701032

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media.gab.com

More dishonesty from Trump, this time about the second ammendment.

 

[Ebionite]

So, is there any truth to the charge? We have conducted an exclusive investigation that reveals that, yes, in fact, some migrants in Ohio appear to have been “eating the cats,” though not exactly in the manner that Trump described.

New Video Allegedly Shows Migrants Eating Cats in Ohio

Reading Time: 3 minutes Christopher Rufo reported: Donald Trump shocked audiences at this week’s presidential debate with the claim that foreign migrants were eating household pets in Springfield, Ohio, a small town currently reeling under the strain of an unprecedented number of new arrivals...

www.cf.org

 

[Pogo]

So, is there any truth to the charge? We have conducted an exclusive investigation that reveals that, yes, in fact, some migrants in Ohio appear to have been “eating the cats,” though not exactly in the manner that Trump described.

New Video Allegedly Shows Migrants Eating Cats in Ohio

Reading Time: 3 minutes Christopher Rufo reported: Donald Trump shocked audiences at this week’s presidential debate with the claim that foreign migrants were eating household pets in Springfield, Ohio, a small town currently reeling under the strain of an unprecedented number of new arrivals...

www.cf.org

‘Clearly chicken you weirdo’: People respond to JD Vance sharing video he claims shows migrants grilling cats​

Backlash was swift, with replies ranging from, “I find it strange that a self-professed ‘hillbilly’ doesn’t know what whole chickens look like,” to, “HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT CHICKENS LOOK LIKE WITH THEIR LEGS ATTACHED YOU F****ING DIP****.” Oliver Alexander, an open-source intelligence analyst, weighed in, sharing images of plucked chickens looking remarkably similar to whatever was being grilled in the video. “Clearly chicken you weirdo. Dude’s never seen chicken that wasn’t dino-nugget shaped,” he wrote.

You really need to get better sources.

 

[Ebionite]

“It was a rigged deal, as I assumed it would be, because when you looked at the fact that they were correcting everything and not correcting with her,” [Trump] said.

Kamala Harris did not receive debate questions in advance, ABC claims: ‘Absolutely not’

ABC has denied Vice President Kamala Harris was given advance notice of questions ahead of her debate showdown with former President Donald Trump.

nypost.com

ABC News allegedly ensured Kamala’s team that it would make every effort to fact-check anything Donald Trump said. (What’s implied, although not stated, is that no such effort would be made to fact-check Kamala.) The Trump campaign was shut out of these negotations.

An ABC employee’s sworn affidavit claims ABC cheated to help Kamala win

The Black Insurrectionist did the legwork and obtained what appears to be a duly signed affidavit from an ABC employee attesting under oath to the network’s staggering corruption to ensure that Kamala Harris won her single debate against Donald...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Regardless of the impression she wants to give, Kathryn has admitted that she would vote for Trump/Vance, if she lived in a so-called swing state like Pennsylvania. She would definitely prefer to see Donald Trump win the election, perhaps hoping that Vance will end up replacing him at some point. MAGA enablers aren't necessarily themselves MAGA.

You use the term MAGA differently than I do. In a concurrent thread, I wrote, "For me, MAGA conservatives are Trump apologists, whereas non-MAGA conservatives like the Cheneys and The Lincoln Project consider Trump a threat to America and denounce him." That was written in response to a poster's claim of being conservative but not MAGA.

MAGA enablers are MAGA to me. That's most of the movement. It's who goes to the rallies. It's who posts on RF in defense of Trump. It's who wear the red caps. It's who buys the Trump merch.

 

[Kathryn]

You use the term MAGA differently than I do. In a concurrent thread, I wrote, "For me, MAGA conservatives are Trump apologists, whereas non-MAGA conservatives like the Cheneys and The Lincoln Project consider Trump a threat to America and denounce him." That was written in response to a poster's claim of being conservative but not MAGA.

MAGA enablers are MAGA to me. That's most of the movement. It's who goes to the rallies. It's who posts on RF in defense of Trump. It's who wear the red caps. It's who buys the Trump merch.

Which would not be me. Thanks, by the way.

 

[F1fan]

You use the term MAGA differently than I do. In a concurrent thread, I wrote, "For me, MAGA conservatives are Trump apologists, whereas non-MAGA conservatives like the Cheneys and The Lincoln Project consider Trump a threat to America and denounce him." That was written in response to a poster's claim of being conservative but not MAGA.

MAGA enablers are MAGA to me. That's most of the movement. It's who goes to the rallies. It's who posts on RF in defense of Trump. It's who wear the red caps. It's who buys the Trump merch.

I see some conservatives thinking they can parse some of Trump's policies from the platforms (Agenda 47 and project 2025), lies, and his character as if they can make a political point, and offer justification for support. The dilemma is that this can't honestly be done with the criminal candidate, as the negatives are so vastly worse than any good a conservative can see in a few favorable policy positions. Everything in politics is weighed on scales, the pros and cons. It is always a compromise when decisions are made. Wieghing the pros and cons can't be done with selective assessments, and that renders the process invalid. In 2020 and now in 2024 we see the scales skewed in ways that is catastrophic if Trump wins. The cons of him becoming president again should lead voters to an obvious choice of Harris. The mental gymnastics that we are seeing among conservative voters reveals the MAGA sickness infecting even the moderates. The pools are shocking, with Trump still competitive as he spirals out of control in the public eye, and the public not being horrified. Maybe these moderate conservatives won't vote or change their minds in the voting booth, but I worry the MAGA sickness has infected voters more deeply than we realize.

We won't know until the day after the election, and then on inaguration day, assuming there isn't a MAGA backlash if Trump loses. It will be a nerve-racking holiday season.

 

[We Never Know]

Which would not be me. Thanks, by the way.

It seems anymore that most every republican is being referred to as a MAGA. Either vote for Harris or you're a MAGA.(at least here anyway)

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Yep, I noticed she took this question as a generality of her values not changing when her policy positions have. It was a missed opportunity, IMO, but not knowing what actually made her change her position, I'll (this time) give her the benefit of the doubt that she did not see it as the appropriate time. We must remember that a debate situation is akin to a courtroom in that you don't introduce a new topic you're not prepared to disect off the cuff.

Did you see her interview on Friday? She said nothing substantive, just what she always says, all she has is rehearsed garbage.

 

[Stevicus]

‘Clearly chicken you weirdo’: People respond to JD Vance sharing video he claims shows migrants grilling cats​

Backlash was swift, with replies ranging from, “I find it strange that a self-professed ‘hillbilly’ doesn’t know what whole chickens look like,” to, “HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT CHICKENS LOOK LIKE WITH THEIR LEGS ATTACHED YOU F****ING DIP****.” Oliver Alexander, an open-source intelligence analyst, weighed in, sharing images of plucked chickens looking remarkably similar to whatever was being grilled in the video. “Clearly chicken you weirdo. Dude’s never seen chicken that wasn’t dino-nugget shaped,” he wrote.

You really need to get better sources.

That photo is kind of blurry. I would guess that it's chicken, but the quality and angle make it a bit difficult to tell for certain. Whatever it is, it looks kind of scrawny. All I see is a picture of some bird-like animal on a grill (or maybe it's a captured alien), someplace on earth, at some time in the past.

 

[Pogo]

“It was a rigged deal, as I assumed it would be, because when you looked at the fact that they were correcting everything and not correcting with her,” [Trump] said.

Kamala Harris did not receive debate questions in advance, ABC claims: ‘Absolutely not’

ABC has denied Vice President Kamala Harris was given advance notice of questions ahead of her debate showdown with former President Donald Trump.

nypost.com

ABC News allegedly ensured Kamala’s team that it would make every effort to fact-check anything Donald Trump said. (What’s implied, although not stated, is that no such effort would be made to fact-check Kamala.) The Trump campaign was shut out of these negotations.

An ABC employee’s sworn affidavit claims ABC cheated to help Kamala win

The Black Insurrectionist did the legwork and obtained what appears to be a duly signed affidavit from an ABC employee attesting under oath to the network’s staggering corruption to ensure that Kamala Harris won her single debate against Donald...

www.americanthinker.com

Ebionite, you really need to get better sources,

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Bias: 24.85

The NY Post is generally a questionable source, but even they are way better than than your other source .

 

[Pogo]

That photo is kind of blurry. I would guess that it's chicken, but the quality and angle make it a bit difficult to tell for certain. Whatever it is, it looks kind of scrawny. All I see is a picture of some bird-like animal on a grill (or maybe it's a captured alien), someplace on earth, at some time in the past.

Yet our potential vice President considers it evidence of immigrants cooking cats. This is just another example of the quality of intelligence leading to statements from Trump and Vance.

Remember we had a little fiasco with evidence for Weapons of Mass Destruction a few years ago? Dick Cheney knows all about propagandizing bad intelligence and how dangerous for the country's reputation and function it can be.

In this his response to the dangers of a Trump presidency might be worth listening to.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

So is there some states where the tariff doesn’t apply? Or is it the whole country?

Again, a tariff does not apply to all products, a national sales tax does.

His first term actually had some competent people. They did some good things. But all that will change with a second term that looks to be filled with loyalists. Trump is not the guy he was in 2017. He’s lost more steps than Biden has in the same time.

I disagree. I think that is media and the dems telling you this. If you listen to his interviews he has substance and can talk about issues off the cuff. harris cannot do that.

Your link refers to tariffs as a tax which rebuts the non-expert claim that it isn’t. In Europe tariffs are called Value Added Tax. So I take it you no longer consider Harris’ statement a lie?

I never said it wasn't like a tax, I said it is not a national sales tax.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I realize this is a double post, but I'll use this second one to address your last paragraph.

Yeah not sure how that happened.

I don't know the day to day obligations of the VP of the USA any more than she would know mine. However, I do know hers are much more important and not at her personal discretion as mine are.

It was very nice that at the 911 memorial, she, again, made the extended effort to include Trump respectfully. That's twice in 2 days she has shown herself to be the better "gentleman." LOL Sorry, I couldn't resist. Okay, the better mannered.

So what, her policies are still terrible.

 

[Spice]

Did you see her interview on Friday? She said nothing substantive, just what she always says, all she has is rehearsed garbage.

I missed that. Who did she interview with on Friday, and was it a substantial length of one-on-one?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Only in the sense that a sales tax is normally added on at the point of sale. Tariffs are a national tax on goods entering the country, but they act more like the European version of a sales tax--the VAT (Value Added Tax). Calling it a "national sales tax" is a good way of pointing out how tariffs represent government taxes that drive up the price that consumers pay at the point of sale. You are really making a distinction without a difference.

No, a tariff is not on all products, a national sales tax is. That is a big difference.

 

[F1fan]

It seems anymore that most every republican is being referred to as a MAGA. Either vote for Harris or you're a MAGA.(at least here anyway)

If a voter can't recognize the threat that Trump is, and poses for the future, they might be merely ignorant or MAGA (I argue that MAGA is ignorant as well, but have emotionally committed to the dogma). But in any regards their support for the criminal candidate reveals flawed thinking. Trump was rejected in 2012 in the republican primary, which showed good sense among conservatives as they selected Romney. But each election cycle since has seen Trump getting more disturbed, more extreme, and less fit, but more attractive to the conservative voter. The voters who support him are not making a sound and rational decision. Their judgment is flawed and being guided by emotions. The growing list of former Trump officials, and republicans who support Harris, can articulate their reasoning to oppose Trump. It doesn't seem to influence the average conservative voter. That suggets Trump supporters are committed emotionally, not rationally.

I've heard undecided voters interviewed and most every one seems poorly informed and unsure why Trump is in legal trouble. What I wonder is how they can't understand why he's in legal trouble when there is literally hundreds of reputable articles by reputable news agencies reporting on it, and stories available for free on the internet. To my mind these are lazy thinkers who lack any understanding that they need to extend effort to inform themselves, and only from reputable sources. These undecided voters are so frustrating to listen to because their dilemma is so easily solved by reading. One guy explained how concerned he was about the headlines he's seen about Trump, and turned off by things he's said in video clips, yada yada yada, but then concluded that he was leaning towrds voting for Trump. Jesus, this guy spent 45 seconds explaining why Trump is not a good candidate, but then admitted that he might vote for him anyway.