Trump kicked off Colorado ballot

[Subduction Zone]

<yawn>

What evidence?​

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"Among their claims, which have yet to be supported by direct evidence, is that President Biden was involved in or personally profited from his family's foreign business dealings, or that he improperly influenced policy based on them during his time as vice president."​

[source] [emphasis added - JS]​

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Just more honking from the Trumpeter Pawns.​

</yawn>

I know. When your fellow Republicans admit that there is none the answer becomes pretty clear. Yet we still hear from the extreme MAGA's that there is evidence. When asked for it we get crickets, tumbleweeds, bupkis.

Or, we get just like Rudy Giuliani when he once again defamed the mother and daughter election workers when he claimed that that he had evidence for their actions: "Just stay tuned!" And then he refused to testify in court.

 

[Left Coast]

I am betting that he will quote Hillary pointing out that Trump lost the popular vote. Of course that is not the same thing at all.

Exactly. She literally conceded. She didn't launch a bunch of investigations and lawsuits alleging mass voter fraud. She conceded like every other normal candidate. Yet another example of the psychological need to find some way, some how, that Dems are just as bad as Trump because they know they're gonna vote for him again next year.

 

[Watchmen]

What is the question again?

See post 219.

 

[Watchmen]

That's an understatement.

Obviously people don't want to see it and really don't care about the Constitution or having Fair elections.

Pretty sad that the hate for Trump trumps valuing the Constitution.

 

[metis]

The evidence is out there to convict Biden of actual crimes.

Such as?

 

[metis]

Pretty sad that the hate for Trump trumps valuing the Constitution.

Such as?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

When your fellow Republicans admit

My fellow Republicans?

 

[F1fan]

No doubt Trumps behavior is terrible.

It’s criminal. Notice the four indictments with 91 counts. It’s as if some folks think these are baseless.

But I believe in the constitution and due process.

What do you think is going on? Everything you are complaining about IS the process. It’s ugly but this is why standards are built in to our political system, to minimize the corruption and cheating. Trump happens to be a worst case scenario that is challenging our democracy and system of justice, and unless he is not able to manipulate the legal system long enough, and stupid citizens don’t elect this criminal (with a minority of the voting public) then he’s going to be convicted of some of the counts, if not all.

Trump is only starting. The closer to the election the worse he will become. His followers are already threatening everyone involved in law cases against him, how long before they act?

 

[F1fan]

And I don't disagree with that, aside from one small detail that is constantly and maybe intentionally being avoided and left out.

Trump has not been legally and formally declared an insurrectionist.

That will be determined at the March trial in a criminal court of law. Not at a civil trial in Colorado.

Even OJ Simpson, as an example, had to be declared a felon criminal first in a criminal trial before he could be prosecuted later in a civil trial afterwards.

You see the problem now?

Yes, jurors can make mistakes, and prosecutors put on a bad case. OJ is guilty regardless of the bad acquittal, and that is due to the exceptional evidence against him.

 

[crossfire]

Can anyone find the quote where Trump said he was considering pardoning those convicted of crimes related to January 6th? It was supposedly on one of his campaign events. Some of those people have already been convicted for seditious conspiracy.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Can anyone find the quote where Trump said he was considering pardoning those convicted of crimes related to January 6th? It was supposedly on one of his campaign events. Some of those people have already been convicted for insurrection.

Former President Trump Says He'd Consider Pardons for Jan. 6 Defendants If He Returns to Office

Former President Donald Trump says he would "very seriously consider" pardons for January 6 defendants where he to run for office again and be re-elected. He says they are being "treated worse than terrorists and murderers, despite most being charged with parading through the Capitol."

www.c-span.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

Pretty sad that the hate for Trump trumps valuing the Constitution.

Yep. It demonstrates in full view of everyone who are cognizant of the fact that these particular Democrats number one priority right now is hating and removing one's political opponents to the point that it's much more important than the Constitution and the Integrity of the election system itself in order to win power and control over others.

They absolutely hate this country's election system and have made no secret about it and their attempt to destroy it in favor of their own election system being put in place while spouting out unending platitudes that justifies this behavior in their own eyes.

If it means destroying and or bastardizing the Constitution and the protections in this country , they will do that and they have already shown it by what they've done here in Colorado. It does support Trump's assertion of the modern Democrats willingness to fix elections in their favor, so all this is going to accomplish is further strengthening Trump's campaign and support of which I'm sure they're terrified of.

I'm very happy that people are seeing what this disgraceful bench 'trial' is doing to our election system though, and that this isn't really about Trump but something far more important if we want to keep having free and fair elections and protecting the integrity and security of our own election system from undue interference by malicious political parties attempting to change key definitions of our election process in their favor.

This intense desire by modern day Democrats to take over the country for themselves as a one mind, one party rule, not unlike Communist China is, has to stop.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, jurors can make mistakes, and prosecutors put on a bad case. OJ is guilty regardless of the bad acquittal, and that is due to the exceptional evidence against him.

If Trump had been declared guilty in a criminal trial, then nobody would be complaining about what Colorado's civil trial did in removing him from the ballot , but that didn't happen.

 

[crossfire]

Former President Trump Says He'd Consider Pardons for Jan. 6 Defendants If He Returns to Office

Former President Donald Trump says he would "very seriously consider" pardons for January 6 defendants where he to run for office again and be re-elected. He says they are being "treated worse than terrorists and murderers, despite most being charged with parading through the Capitol."

www.c-span.org

OK, he said "people parading through the Capitol." He didn't specify those convicted of seditious conspiracy.

 

[Monty]

Yep. It demonstrates in full view of everyone who are cognizant of the fact that these particular Democrats number one priority right now is hating and removing one's political opponents to the point that it's much more important than the Constitution and the Integrity of the election system itself in order to win power and control over others.

They absolutely hate this country's election system and have made no secret about it and their attempt to destroy it in favor of their own election system being put in place while spouting out unending platitudes that justifies this behavior in their own eyes.

If it means destroying and or bastardizing the Constitution and the protections in this country , they will do that and they have already shown it by what they've done here in Colorado. It does support Trump's assertion of the modern Democrats willingness to fix elections in their favor, so all this is going to accomplish is further strengthening Trump's campaign and support of which I'm sure they're terrified of.

I'm very happy that people are seeing what this disgraceful bench 'trial' is doing to our election system though, and that this isn't really about Trump but something far more important if we want to keep having free and fair elections and protecting the integrity and security of our own election system from undue interference by malicious political parties attempting to change key definitions of our election process in their favor.

This intense desire by modern day Democrats to take over the country for themselves as a one mind, one party rule, not unlike Communist China is, has to stop.

Why is an electoral system where only 538 people actually vote for their leader better than a democratic system where everyone is eligible to vote, even if they prefer to vote for themselves or Faith Spotted Eagle or Colin Powell?

Monday's Electoral College results prove the institution is an utter joke

The liberal effort to encourage electors to defect only further degraded American political norms.

www.vox.com

 

[Wandering Monk]

OK, he said "people parading through the Capitol." He didn't specify those convicted of seditious conspiracy.

Trump says he would pardon a 'large portion' of Jan. 6 rioters

Former President Donald Trump promised that if elected he would pardon a "large portion" of the people convicted of federal offenses over the Jan. 6 riot.

news.yahoo.com

 

[crossfire]

Trump says he would pardon a 'large portion' of Jan. 6 rioters

Former President Donald Trump promised that if elected he would pardon a "large portion" of the people convicted of federal offenses over the Jan. 6 riot.

news.yahoo.com

It looks like he's being pretty careful with his wording. I guess some of the Proud Boys and their ilk who ended up being convicted of seditious conspiracy were expecting Trump to pardon them before Biden was inaugurated.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If Trump had been declared guilty in a criminal trial, then nobody would be complaining about what Colorado's civil trial did in removing him from the ballot , but that didn't happen.

I take it you've never met Republicans.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Why is an electoral system where only 538 people actually vote for their leader better than a democratic system where everyone is eligible to vote, even if they prefer to vote for themselves or Faith Spotted Eagle or Colin Powell?

Monday's Electoral College results prove the institution is an utter joke

The liberal effort to encourage electors to defect only further degraded American political norms.

www.vox.com

Well the framers of this country instituted it, and I personally think it's because of fair representation, because some states are more populated than other states which means there would always be a biased result that favors more populated states as opposed to those who are more rural and isolated that would likely have different needs and wants because of it.

Having electors seems to address that issue , even though it may not look fair in terms of mass popularity, or desire for a particular candidate to win via straight majority.

If it's proving to be that much of a problem then all it takes is a constitutional convention to adjust it, but obviously none has been called as of yet.

 

[Monty]

Well the framers of this country instituted it, and I personally think it's because of fair representation, because some states are more populated than other states which means there would always be a biased result that favors more populated states as opposed to those who are more rural and isolated that would likely have different needs and wants because of it.

Having electors seems to address that issue , even though it may not look fair in terms of mass popularity, or desire for a particular candidate to win via straight majority.

If it's proving to be that much of a problem then all it takes is a constitutional convention to adjust it, but obviously none has been called as of yet.

And I wonder how many of the 538 actual voters will choose to vote for Faith Spotted Eagle or Colin Powell or other candidates next year instead of two geriatrics.
And who selects the 538 voters who are free to vote for whoever they prefer, including themselves?