Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Prove it. Prove that the judge was corrupt.
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Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.
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Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
The trial proved that a corrupt defendant was liable for financial fraud and illegal conduct.
Both sides had requested a summary judgment from the judge and that is what they got. Trump's financial penalty could have been worse, but it might have been better if he had kept a civil tongue during the trial. Repeatedly slandering the judge and court personnel may have helped to rally his base and raise money, but now he needs to raise even more money. You can help, if you want to own a shiny new pair of golden sneakers.
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Laniakea
Not of this world
Calling someone guilty of a "crime" that was never proven to be committed, and even showing that he came up with that conclusion before there was even a trial.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
No, the judge showed that during the trial after being asked to examine the evidence presented to him. That was before the jury trial started, but it was part of the process leading up to the courtroom portion.
Judge rules Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers while building real estate empire
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That was proven in the trial. If is not our fault if you did not pay any attention.
Has it occurred to you that other businesses follow the law?
There has been plenty of right wing disinformation that claims Trump did nothing wrong and other businesses should worry about being indicted. Fear mongering only works on the gullible.
Too bad this doesn't apply to your corrupt candidate. Do you think all of his other losses in fraud cases are also set ups?
Dang, poor Donny's gofundme is slowing down. Only about $110,000 today. Five days in and not even a million bucks yet. Where's the love?
$915,627 raised of $355,000,000 goal
•16.6K donations
Are Trump supporters starting to realize they are being taken advantage of?
I wonder how his shoe sales are going. Well, he only had 1000 made and they sold out. So only $400,000 minus costs. Should have made 2000. Or 10,000 and lied about it being only 1000.
$915,627 raised of $355,000,000 goal
•16.6K donations
Are Trump supporters starting to realize they are being taken advantage of?
I wonder how his shoe sales are going. Well, he only had 1000 made and they sold out. So only $400,000 minus costs. Should have made 2000. Or 10,000 and lied about it being only 1000.
My helper showed up today at my place to
borrow some tools. He held forth on politics.
- He never heard of false electors.
- Trump loves this country.
- Biden & all the Democrats hate this country.
- Trump did nothing wrong by committing bank fraud.
- Trump is merely being persecuted by Democrats.
- Trump is highly intelligent.
He's pretty typical of Magas I know.
They live in a world of different & missing facts.
And strong feelings for him.
borrow some tools. He held forth on politics.
- He never heard of false electors.
- Trump loves this country.
- Biden & all the Democrats hate this country.
- Trump did nothing wrong by committing bank fraud.
- Trump is merely being persecuted by Democrats.
- Trump is highly intelligent.
He's pretty typical of Magas I know.
They live in a world of different & missing facts.
And strong feelings for him.
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Laniakea
Not of this world
How rude!
Laniakea
Not of this world
ALL of them? Then why would Hochul need to issue such a statement if other businesses didn't show concern over what happened to Trump happening to them?
New York Governor Kathy Hochul tries to soothe business owners' anxiety over Donald Trump's $355 million ruling
New York Governor Kathy Hochul addresses the $355m fine on Donald Trump, assuring law-abiding entrepreneurs that it won't impact the state's business climate.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It was quite polite considering everything.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Do you have a better source? I would like to see the Reuters article since they are reliable but I could not find it. And this source rates "mixed" on factuality. It is slightly left wing, but more important is how factually accurate a source is and this one fails at that.ALL of them? Then why would Hochul need to issue such a statement if other businesses didn't show concern over what happened to Trump happening to them?
New York Governor Kathy Hochul tries to soothe business owners' anxiety over Donald Trump's $355 million ruling
New York Governor Kathy Hochul addresses the $355m fine on Donald Trump, assuring law-abiding entrepreneurs that it won't impact the state's business climate.www.hindustantimes.com
Hindustan Times - Bias and Credibility
QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no
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McBell
Unbound
Trump’s $355M fine won’t hurt NY businesses that follow the law, Gov. Hochul says
“This judge determined that Donald Trump did not follow the rules,” the governor said.
nypost.com
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Not much better as far as sources go. I found this claim on The Guardian as well. Three sources, but all three are not rated highly for reliability. The Hindustan Times says that it was a Reuters story. I couldn't find it. Th Guardian said it was a podcast. No direct link to it and none of the recent podcasts from that source have that info in their descriptions. I was too disheartened to even click on the link.Trump’s $355M fine won’t hurt NY businesses that follow the law, Gov. Hochul says
“This judge determined that Donald Trump did not follow the rules,” the governor said.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Only to MAGA, who apparently thinks everyone in the universe save for Trump, are a bunch of corrupt liars out to get Trump.
It couldn't possibly be that Trump is a career criminal and a fraud who is finally facing the consequences of his actions. . Nah, there's no evidence of that (Trump University, Trump Charity). Nothing to see here! It's everyone else who is the problem! Not Dear Leader!
Trump has a history of breaking laws. And a history of fraud. Trump's crimes were so egregious and obvious that he had to be prosecuted. No doubt other businesses broke laws in valuation and committed fraud, but those crimes have to be proven, and worth prosecution. White collar crimes take a lot of work and involve many experts, which is costly.
I wouldn't be surprised if many businesses do plea deals or update filings rather than denying wrongdoing and being prosecuted. As we see Trump is a special kind of stupid. His antics and ego has cost him the second Carroll judgment of $83.3 million. All he had to do was not defame her again. All he had to do was follow the rules in court. He can't control himself, and the idiot is on a downward spiral. And he's to blame for all of it.
I'll bet these businesses won't dare cross the line by breaking laws as Trump did. Trump is the poster child for why obeying laws is a smart and winning business move.New York Governor Kathy Hochul tries to soothe business owners' anxiety over Donald Trump's $355 million ruling
New York Governor Kathy Hochul addresses the $355m fine on Donald Trump, assuring law-abiding entrepreneurs that it won't impact the state's business climate.
esmith
Veteran Member
So let me get this straight. It is illegal for someone to go to a bank to take out a loan and put some of their assests up for collateral. They say the assest/s are worth this much and either the company that is giving the loan either agrees or disagrees with your estimate. If they agree fine if they disagree and come up with a different figure you can either negotiate with them or go somewhere else.
If you think it is illeagal then you would be breaking the law if you asked your boss for a raise and said you were worth X number of dollars.
If you think it is illeagal then you would be breaking the law if you asked your boss for a raise and said you were worth X number of dollars.
McBell
Unbound
It is just too cute that you think getting a bank loan is the equivalent to asking your boss for a raise.
No, it's illegal to lie about the value of those assets.
Like I said earlier: what seems to have happened was that Trump used one appraisal (from before the development restrictions) that said Mar-a-Lago is worth $100 million, but he was already aware that the new value was $16 million based on a new appraisal (which he was already using for tax purposes).
The analogy doesn't quite fit, but going with it... it would be like asking your boss for a salary advance, arguing that you can pay it off quickly because you'll work 1000 hours a year for him, but you only intend to work 160 hours a year.
Edit: a better analogy:
You have a rare baseball card. You get it appraised at $1,000 based on it being in mint condition.
The next day, your kid pulls the card out of its case and doodles all over the back in crayon. You know the card is now not mint and worth way less, but you slide it back into the case and hide the doodles.
The day after that, you ask if you can borrow $1,000 from your friend. You tell him "you know I'm good for it - if I can't save up enough to pay you back, I'll just sell my baseball card. It's worth $1,000 - see?" and you show him the appraisal.
You agree that in this scenario, you got the loan under false pretenses, right?
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