Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.

[Pogo]

So does all of Bidens shell corporations that exceeded well over 20 of them, but that's for another thread another time.

Well how about you actually start that thread with some evidence, the yahoos in Congress keep getting burned by their own witnesses.

 

[Copernicus]

"Private Investments" with Trump involved is a red flag in and of itself.

So does all of Bidens shell corporations that exceeded well over 20 of them, but that's for another thread another time.

Not so fast. The 20 alleged "shell corporations" came out of a House report on the investigation of Hunter Biden, not President Joe Biden, who had nothing to do with them. You very carefully left that fact out, because you wanted to make it look like they had something to do with Joe Biden. Spice was referring to "Private Investments" where Donald Trump himself was involved. So, yeah, that's for another thread, several of which exist already, but the horse is dead. You can stop beating it.

 

[metis]

Hannity isn't my filter. I saw the video clip you're talking about.

And Trump's statement about being a "dictator on day 1" doesn't bother you? Why are you so willing to take such a dangerous position to our own constitution and the country as a whole? If Biden said something so radical, would you take the same position?

 

[metis]

The idea that the USA is a democracy is what makes us a laughing stock.

Actually, we are if one actually looks up "democracy": Democracy - Wikipedia

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It obviously wasn't about infrastructure. A trillion dollars clearly didn't fix things.

There's a webpage with a handy interactive map to let you see the specific projects this money is being spent on:

Investing in America - Build.gov | The White House

Learn how the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law is a historic investment in our nation's infrastructure and competitiveness.

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[Copernicus]

The idea that the USA is a democracy is what makes us a laughing stock.

Actually, we are if one actually looks up "democracy": Democracy - Wikipedia

Whether Laniakea bothers to look it up, he is just following a rightwing logic chopping tactic. The claim is that the US is technically a federal republic rather than a true democracy. Technically, the people don't vote for presidents. They vote for electors to choose a president. This rhetorical tactic has become very popular among the MAGA crowd.

See this NPR article:

Is America a democracy or a republic? Yes, it is​

The question is absurd, because pretty much all forms of democracy are republics. The electoral college in the US is unique, but it only exists for the office of the presidency. And the winner-take-all or first-past-the-post style of electing representatives favored in most states allows pluralities, rather than majorities, to choose representatives. The question is clearly a false dilemma fallacy, because it implies that a government has to be either a democracy or a republic. However, republics are a type of democracy called a representative democracy.

The term "republic" is a blend of the original Latin expression res publica, which meant "public thing"--a government that is run by the people. For that to happen, the public needs to have a method for choosing its leaders. The US is one of the oldest representative democracies still in existence, but it was not the first such form of government. Hence, it contains some rather antiquated practices such as the electoral college system for choosing presidents. Most modern republics with presidents elect them directly rather than with winner-take-all state elections. And many US states have laws requiring electors to vote for the president that wins the popular state election, so the electoral college is largely a weird curiosity about American representative democracy, especially since it has occasionally allowed presidents to be chosen who did not win the popular vote. Donald Trump was elected that way in 2016, and it is unfortunately possible that he will be reelected as a minority president again in 2024.

 

[Laniakea]

He had a son who served in Iraq. He had a son to die. He understood the parents positionS, and apparently someone else misunderstood what he was saying and blew it up. There's a lot of that going around.

Is this your way of saying that Biden did NOT say his son died in Iraq, even though he didn't?

Biden repeats false claim son Beau died in Iraq, incorrectly states he ran for president while vice president

President Biden repeated his previous false claim that his son, Beau, died while serving in Iraq, as well as incorrectly said he ran for president while serving as vice president.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Laniakea]

I have never heard him make that claim.

Oh, I see your problem. You trusted dishonest sources that did not tell the whole story. Beau Biden served in Iraq:

"According to his father, Beau was diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis in 2001 after returning from service in Kosovo.[48] He was later diagnosed with brain cancer, which his father believes was possibly a consequence of exposure to military burn pits in Iraq.["

Beau Biden - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Could Biden be wrong about what caused Beau's cancer? Yes, he could easily be wrong. Does that make his claim a lie? Not even close.

Either way, he did not die in Iraq.

 

[Laniakea]

Please give citation for Biden saying his son died in Iraq.

"I had run when I was vice president, and then Barack and I spent eight years together, and then the new administration came in, and, in the meantime, things changed in our life and our family. I lost my son – we lost our son in Iraq. Anyway – I hadn't planned on running,"

Biden repeats false claim son Beau died in Iraq, incorrectly states he ran for president while vice president

President Biden repeated his previous false claim that his son, Beau, died while serving in Iraq, as well as incorrectly said he ran for president while serving as vice president.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Laniakea]

Yes, we've seen how he does as president. A one term twice impeached president, who engineered a riotous takeover of the Capitol Building in an effort to overturn his election loss and then stole boxloads of classified government documents before leaving office. The election loss of both the popular and electoral votes was not even close. He was soundly rejected for a second term. And this is before we begin to count the never-ending cascade of scandals throughout his term, the turnover in personnel in his administration, his love of dictators running countries hostile to our nation, his infantile temper tantrums, and the countless lies that he has been caught in. But you find the guy entertaining.

Biden is still using "I'm not Trump" as a major selling point for returning him to office. The sad thing is that it is stale, but still a good selling point when people are reminded of his last term in office. Unfortunately, American voters are not known for having great memories, but they do seem to realize that Donald Trump, with the help of the Republican Party, gave us the current Supreme Court. So there are a few other issues out there to make the musty old "I'm not Trump" line smell a little fresher.

He can keep saying he's not Trump, but doesn't have anything to say about who he is since he's already been showing us for more than 3 years. That's why it's looking more and more like "I'm not Trump" is a losing strategy this time around.

 

[Spice]

Is this your way of saying that Biden did NOT say his son died in Iraq, even though he didn't?

Biden repeats false claim son Beau died in Iraq, incorrectly states he ran for president while vice president

President Biden repeated his previous false claim that his son, Beau, died while serving in Iraq, as well as incorrectly said he ran for president while serving as vice president.

www.foxnews.com

Give me something besides the Fox Entertainment News Network. If it's legit you should be able to pull it up from any number of actual news sources. The Associated Press would most certainly have covered such a faux pax if it isn't make believe.

But I will go back and read what you've presented since I haven't been entertained by Fox News in years.

 

[Laniakea]

Give me something besides the Fox Entertainment News Network. If it's legit you should be able to pull it up from any number of actual news sources. The Associated Press would most certainly have covered such a faux pax if it isn't make believe.

But I will go back and read what you've presented since I haven't been entertained by Fox News in years.

That was Fox News, but whatever.
How about The New York Times? Is that liberal enough for you? Biden Verbally Fumbles, Twice, During Campaign Trip in Florida (Published 2022)

Or listen to his own words on Newsweek's site: Video of Joe Biden saying his son "lost his life in Iraq" viewed 500k times

 

[Subduction Zone]

Either way, he did not die in Iraq.

So what? Biden never claimed that. That makes your claims invalid.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That was Fox News, but whatever.
How about The New York Times? Is that liberal enough for you? Biden Verbally Fumbles, Twice, During Campaign Trip in Florida (Published 2022)

Or listen to his own words on Newsweek's site: Video of Joe Biden saying his son "lost his life in Iraq" viewed 500k times

Quote mining is a way of lying. Details matter. How did he say that his son lost his life in Iraq? Once again, Biden believes that his son's cancer began in Iraq. To him that is why and where he lost his life.

 

[Spice]

"I had run when I was vice president, and then Barack and I spent eight years together, and then the new administration came in, and, in the meantime, things changed in our life and our family. I lost my son – we lost our son in Iraq. Anyway – I hadn't planned on running,"

Biden repeats false claim son Beau died in Iraq, incorrectly states he ran for president while vice president

President Biden repeated his previous false claim that his son, Beau, died while serving in Iraq, as well as incorrectly said he ran for president while serving as vice president.

www.foxnews.com

I watched the attached video as well as read the article. This is a poor argument for the premise intended.

The video "jumps" where he could have easily said the word "before" which changes the statement of his previous run for president completely. He did briefly run for president before he and Barack held office.

Now to the slip on his son's death -- the man stutters. It's fact. If you watch the face of stutters you'll see when they strive to get past one. That was obvious what happened there. WHY? It seems, and I'm just making an observation, he was about to explain the Iraqi connection to his son's death, and the emotional impact of the thought fired off a stutter that he controlled with a blunt cutting off that thought. Look at his face. See how he has a prolonged blink to reset his thought.

Not a lie. A faux pax. And that's something he has always been known for due to his speech impairment.

Believe me. If I had the slightest reason to believe he intentionally grandiosed his son's death for political gain, I'd be the first to say: That SOB!

 

[Spice]

"I had run when I was vice president, and then Barack and I spent eight years together, and then the new administration came in, and, in the meantime, things changed in our life and our family. I lost my son – we lost our son in Iraq. Anyway – I hadn't planned on running,"

Biden repeats false claim son Beau died in Iraq, incorrectly states he ran for president while vice president

President Biden repeated his previous false claim that his son, Beau, died while serving in Iraq, as well as incorrectly said he ran for president while serving as vice president.

www.foxnews.com

I watched the attached video as well as read the article. This is a poor argument for the premise intended.

The video "jumps" where he could have easily said the word "before" which changes the statement of his previous run for president completely. He did briefly run for president before he and Barack held office.

Now to the slip on his son's death -- the man stutters. It's fact. If you watch the face of stutters you'll see when they strive to get past one. That was obvious what happened there. WHY? It seems, and I'm just making an observation, he was about to explain the Iraqi connection to his son's death, and the emotional impact of the thought fired off a stutter that he controlled with a blunt cutting off that thought. Look at his face. See how he has a prolonged blink to reset his thought.

Not a lie. A faux pax. And that's something he has always been known for due to his speech impairment.

Believe me. If I had the slightest reason to believe he intentionally grandiosed his son's death for political gain, I'd be the first to say: That SOB!

 

[Laniakea]

Quote mining is a way of lying. Details matter. How did he say that his son lost his life in Iraq? Once again, Biden believes that his son's cancer began in Iraq. To him that is why and where he lost his life.

Nice little dance you just did around the truth.

 

[Laniakea]

I watched the attached video as well as read the article. This is a poor argument for the premise intended.

The video "jumps" where he could have easily said the word "before" which changes the statement of his previous run for president completely. He did briefly run for president before he and Barack held office.

Now to the slip on his son's death -- the man stutters. It's fact. If you watch the face of stutters you'll see when they strive to get past one. That was obvious what happened there. WHY? It seems, and I'm just making an observation, he was about to explain the Iraqi connection to his son's death, and the emotional impact of the thought fired off a stutter that he controlled with a blunt cutting off that thought. Look at his face. See how he has a prolonged blink to reset his thought.

Not a lie. A faux pax. And that's something he has always been known for due to his speech impairment.

Believe me. If I had the slightest reason to believe he intentionally grandiosed his son's death for political gain, I'd be the first to say: That SOB!

That was a lot of words admitting I was correct.
A shorter version would have been better though.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nice little dance you just did around the truth.

Projection. You are trying to misunderstand him on purpose. That Biden blames his son's service and the extreme chemicals that he was exposed to as the source of his cancer does make his claim valid.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That was a lot of words admitting I was correct.
A shorter version would have been better though.

NO!! It pointed out how you were wrong. Just admit that you screwed up on this one and move on.