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"Trump says he would 'encourage' Russia to attack Nato allies"

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
He is stirring up a discussion of how some NATO members are not paying what they agreed to. That isn't irresponsible.

Here's the most recent commitment by the NATO states:


It contains a lot more than just points 27 & 28 (defense spending). For instance, points 7 through 18 are about various NATO commitments to Ukraine against Russia.

You agree that these commitments are binding, right? All of the commitments?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It's not so stupid in light of Trump's campaign
comments about Ukraine getting too much aid.
This & his latest attack on NATO show that he's
OK with Russian expansion by violent onquest.
So it's the US that decides about Europe?

Okay...perfect...so why should my country pay for the NATO bills?
Since she doesn't decide anything?

Quid pro quo. Give us decisional power and we will pay.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So it's the US that decides about Europe?
Why do you think that?
Okay...perfect...so why should my country pay for the NATO bills?
Since she doesn't decide anything?
Whether Italy pays or not,
I don't care.
Quid pro quo. Give us decisional power and we will pay.
Why would Italy want to be in NATO anyway?
From what you post, Italy would be happy
ruled by Putin. I don't know about his
successors though.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
He is stirring up a discussion of how some NATO members are not paying what they agreed to. That isn't irresponsible.
But encouraging a nuclear armed despotic regime to invade sovereign democracies without provocation just because they "didn't pay their bills" very much is irresponsible. No amount of mental gymnastics is going to save your orange messiah. On that note, isn't idolatry forbidden by Judaism?
 

PureX

Veteran Member

Thoughts?
I guess the right hates NATO now, too, along with gays, Muslims, Catholics, Jews, foreigners of all kinds, upidy women, upidy blacks, upidy pop singers, actors, climate scientists, and anyone from New York or California. All democrats, all liberals, all communists, and all socialists, even though they have no real idea what any of those terms actually mean.

It's getting difficult to identify who they don't hate, anymore. Putin and Trump are about it, I guess.

And Toby Keith.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member

PureX

Veteran Member
But encouraging a nuclear armed despotic regime to invade sovereign democracies without provocation just because they "didn't pay their bills" very much is irresponsible. No amount of mental gymnastics is going to save your orange messiah. On that note, isn't idolatry forbidden by Judaism?
Especially when Trump is notorious for not paying his bills.

It was interesting watching the weird vitriol with which he delivered that line.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Because the US want this war to last forever.
Europeans want this war to stop today.
What makes you think the U.S. wants this war to "last forever"? Letting despots invade sovereign nations with impunity only encourages more war.

As for Europe:
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What makes you think the U.S. wants this war to "last forever"? Letting despots invade sovereign nations with impunity only encourages more war.

As for Europe:
As Putin interviewed by Carlson said: when the US stop giving weapons to Kiev, the war will be over.
Because Ukrainians will not have anything to attack Russians with, and will withdraw.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Duh.
Italy's beloved Hitler said (translated from Deutsch).....
"If'n you Yanks would just mind yer own bees wax,
this war against England & Frogistan would end."

If Putin had wanted to conquer Europe, he would have started from the Balkans...where Serbians love him.
And yet...he couldn't care less about Western Europe.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
It's not so stupid in light of Trump's campaign
comments about Ukraine getting too much aid.
This & his latest attack on NATO show that he's
OK with Russian expansion by violent onquest.
Or...maybe he's a believer in paying the bills for something as important as national security, which isn't something that comes for free.
 
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