Trump.. The greatest president America ever had

[We Never Know]

At the time Biden pulled out, there were no predictions
that the Afghan government would immediately collapse.
(I verified that.)
In retrospect, we can see that staying another decade
very likely wouldn't prevent the same result. Why invest
another trillion dollars in a lost cause?

Biden ripped off the Band-Aid, after other Presidents
wouldn't. Obama & Trump both reneged on their
promises to exit, failing to clear even the lowest of bars.
So Kudos to Biden for doing what needed to be done.


It's hard to predict. He had 4 years, & didn't withdraw.
But if he would've in a 2nd term, we couldn't expect a
different result.

"there were no predictions
that the Afghan government would immediately collapse"

From the link above..

"U.S. intelligence assessed that the Afghan government would likely collapse."

 

[wellwisher]

Yet it was left to Biden to end the occupation of Afghanistan.
Trump promised to pull out, but didn't.

Obama and Biden started the Arab Spring War that allowed ISIS to rise to power. ISIS killed many people as they spread terror through the Middle East. Trump came in and got rid of ISIS and took back all their territory. Biden only had to cleaned up the little mess that was left. He botched it, leading to many good people dying.

Trump delayed total withdrawal to avoid what would be the Biden debacle. Many Arab people, who had helped the US to get rid of ISIS, were left behind to be killed. Under Trump, the transport off these people to the US, was not yet complete, when Biden acted in an fashion to gain political optic points, giving the enemy time to prepare. Biden will go down as one of the worse.

Well he succeeded in dividing America much more than it was pre trump

The Russian Collusion scam and the fake news media blitzkrieg divided the country. Fox News and the political Right were placed on constant defense. The Left was attacking a duly elected President; collusion scam, with the Swamp on offense using government resources, which caused sides to appear in the US, with the Republican side always on defense. They defender is not the instigator. The Left projects its crimes.

Still with all that noise and constant sabotage by Swamp plants in the Trump administration and Democrat resistance to any Trump policy change; build the wall, Trump still accomplished a lot of positive things, such as the lowest unemployments rates for women, blacks and minorities in the history of the country.

Trump gave the largest endowment ever to Black Colleges. Russian, China, Iran, North Korea were all contained and peaceful under Trump's watch, since he projected fair but firm power. The US military was built back up. He created a new branch of the Military; Space force. He made the US energy independent with gas prices $2/gallon.

COVID put sand in the gears of the economy. This was made worse by the Democrat led shut down of half the economy, which was not needed, other than to sabotage the Trump economy ahead of 2020. Trump's push for a rapid vaccine, made it happen in record time, by getting Government out of the way. Once COVID was more under control, but not yet done, the strength of the old Trump economy foundations, led to a comeback that exceeded expectations.

Biden came along, installing energy policy that doubled the price of gas, leading to inflation. The Democrat shut down of the COVID economy, led to future supply shortages that also fueled inflation. Biden and Democrats did not care about the affect on the common man. They was more about the Lefty agenda at any cost.

After the Swamp divided America and Mueller stopped the offensive, the Right Wing defenders got more organized and have mounted a counter offensive. This has caused the Left to become more defensive.

 

[Stevicus]

We could say Obama had 8 years.

Its not something that could be done in a hurry.

An agreement wasn't negotiated until Feb 2020

"The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban

They should have pulled out the day after Osama Bin Laden was killed. There was absolutely no reason to stay after that.

 

[We Never Know]

This was only the 1st step in any potential
agreement....hardly a done deal.
Ref...

U.S.-Taliban Peace Deal: What to Know

The United States and the Taliban signed an agreement aimed at ending the eighteen-year war in Afghanistan, but many factors could still disrupt the peace process.

www.cfr.org

Besides, I don't believe for a second that
the Taliban & other groups would honor
any agreement with USA once it leaves.
The Taliban had the power to impose
whatever it wanted on the country.

The first step happened in Feb 2020, the last step couldn't happen overnight.

 

[We Never Know]

They should have pulled out the day after Osama Bin Laden was killed. There was absolutely no reason to stay after that.

Killing him didn't end the war in the country.
Tge civillians had came depended on the US.
Our police state ideology keeps us in wars thinking we can calm/end them protecting the people.

 

[Mock Turtle]

A few things I would say in support of his presidency:

He didn't launch aggressive invasions and destabilise entire geographical regions.

He probably did more to cool down the tensions between N and S Korea than any previous president.

He proposed nuking hurricanes, injecting UV light and said with a straight face that he knew a lot about every topic, probably more than anyone else. In short, funniest world leader ever...even if he didn't mean it.

Nothing came from his Korean adventures - because he couldn't deliver whatever the North Korean leader wanted and he couldn't accept any terms coming from said leader. But if one wanted a clown for a leader then no doubt Trump fits the bill precisely - even if such does reflect on the country as a whole. And I'm sure that so many in the USA aren't even bothered as to such - which is even more worrying.

PS I think Trump is probably the worst that America has had - in my lifetime at least.

 

[We Never Know]

They should have pulled out the day after Osama Bin Laden was killed. There was absolutely no reason to stay after that.

One problem is we weren't just after the leader, we were after the whole gang to teach them a lesson(the reckoning), which was an unattainable objective/goal.

 

[Stevicus]

Killing him didn't end the war in the country.
Tge civillians had came depended on the US.
Our police state ideology keeps us in wars thinking we can calm/end them protecting the people.

The whole reason for going there in the first place was to capture or eliminate Bin Laden, because it was believed he was the mastermind behind 9/11. If not for that, there would have been no invasion.

 

[We Never Know]

The whole reason for going there in the first place was to capture or eliminate Bin Laden, because it was believed he was the mastermind behind 9/11. If not for that, there would have been no invasion.

He was the leader of al-Qaeda. We wanted them all, not just bin Laden.

 

[ChristineM]

Obama and Biden started the Arab Spring War that allowed ISIS to rise to power. ISIS killed many people as they spread terror through the Middle East. Trump came in and got rid of ISIS and took back all their territory. Biden only had to cleaned up the little mess that was left. He botched it, leading to many good people dying.

Trump delayed total withdrawal to avoid what would be the Biden debacle. Many Arab people, who had helped the US to get rid of ISIS, were left behind to be killed. Under Trump, the transport off these people to the US, was not yet complete, when Biden acted in an fashion to gain political optic points, giving the enemy time to prepare. Biden will go down as one of the worse.


The Russian Collusion scam and the fake news media blitzkrieg divided the country. Fox News and the political Right were placed on constant defense. The Left was attacking a duly elected President; collusion scam, with the Swamp on offense using government resources, which caused sides to appear in the US, with the Republican side always on defense. They defender is not the instigator. The Left projects its crimes.

Still with all that noise and constant sabotage by Swamp plants in the Trump administration and Democrat resistance to any Trump policy change; build the wall, Trump still accomplished a lot of positive things, such as the lowest unemployments rates for women, blacks and minorities in the history of the country.

Trump gave the largest endowment ever to Black Colleges. Russian, China, Iran, North Korea were all contained and peaceful under Trump's watch, since he projected fair but firm power. The US military was built back up. He created a new branch of the Military; Space force. He made the US energy independent with gas prices $2/gallon.

COVID put sand in the gears of the economy. This was made worse by the Democrat led shut down of half the economy, which was not needed, other than to sabotage the Trump economy ahead of 2020. Trump's push for a rapid vaccine, made it happen in record time, by getting Government out of the way. Once COVID was more under control, but not yet done, the strength of the old Trump economy foundations, led to a comeback that exceeded expectations.

Biden came along, installing energy policy that doubled the price of gas, leading to inflation. The Democrat shut down of the COVID economy, led to future supply shortages that also fueled inflation. Biden and Democrats did not care about the affect on the common man. They was more about the Lefty agenda at any cost.

After the Swamp divided America and Mueller stopped the offensive, the Right Wing defenders got more organized and have mounted a counter offensive. This has caused the Left to become more defensive.

There ya go, division that is ruining America.

 

[Revoltingest]

Obama and Biden started the Arab Spring War that allowed ISIS to rise to power. ISIS killed many people as they spread terror through the Middle East. Trump came in and got rid of ISIS and took back all their territory. Biden only had to cleaned up the little mess that was left. He botched it, leading to many good people dying.

Trump got rid of ISIS?
This claim requires support.

Trump delayed total withdrawal to avoid what would be the Biden debacle.

To delay the inevitable at high ongoing cost is failure.
Trump was a massive give-away artist with taxpayer dollars.
Especially so with the Covid giveaways.
To his credit, he did fund rapid vaccine development.
But then he spurred the anti-vax movement to prefer
bleach, de-worming medicine, drinking urine, & magic.

Many Arab people, who had helped the US to get rid of ISIS, were left behind to be killed. Under Trump, the transport off these people to the US, was not yet complete, when Biden acted in an fashion to gain political optic points, giving the enemy time to prepare. Biden will go down as one of the worse.

It's easy to predict that Trump would've been
successful at things doomed from the start.
But it's wishful thinking. His record of fulfilling
promises is spotty, eg, Mexico paying for the
"wall".

The Russian Collusion scam and the fake news media blitzkrieg divided the country. Fox News and the political Right were placed on constant defense. The Left was attacking a duly elected President; collusion scam, with the Swamp on offense using government resources, which caused sides to appear in the US, with the Republican side always on defense. They defender is not the instigator. The Left projects its crimes.

Those are just political in-fighting complaints.
They don't speak to a President's record in office.

Still with all that noise and constant sabotage by Swamp plants in the Trump administration and Democrat resistance to any Trump policy change; build the wall, Trump still accomplished a lot of positive things, such as the lowest unemployments rates for women, blacks and minorities in the history of the country.

Trump gave the largest endowment ever to Black Colleges.

So he's a racist too?

Russian, China, Iran, North Korea were all contained and peaceful under Trump's watch, since he projected fair but firm power.

Trump failed utterly in achieving peace.
China greatly expanded its military capability.
N Korea played Trump like a fiddle, & continued weapon development.
Trump voided the deal with Iran, freeing it to develop nuclear weapons.
Moreover, Trump's behavior showed Iran that more than ever, it needed
nukes to counter USA & Israeli threats.
Trump also weakened our relationship with western allies.
He really screwed the pooch with foreign policy.

The US military was built back up. He created a new branch of the Military; Space force. He made the US energy independent with gas prices $2/gallon.

USA is never independent of fossil fuel prices
because the market is global.

COVID put sand in the gears of the economy. This was made worse by the Democrat led shut down of half the economy, which was not needed, other than to sabotage the Trump economy ahead of 2020. Trump's push for a rapid vaccine, made it happen in record time, by getting Government out of the way. Once COVID was more under control, but not yet done, the strength of the old Trump economy foundations, led to a comeback that exceeded expectations.

Addressed earlier in this post.

Biden came along, installing energy policy that doubled the price of gas, leading to inflation. The Democrat shut down of the COVID economy, led to future supply shortages that also fueled inflation. Biden and Democrats did not care about the affect on the common man. They was more about the Lefty agenda at any cost.

The price of gas is largely independent
of the President.

After the Swamp divided America and Mueller stopped the offensive, the Right Wing defenders got more organized and have mounted a counter offensive. This has caused the Left to become more defensive.

Trump is the most hostile & divisive President I've
ever seen, inspiring insurrection, violence, corruption,
& just plain hatred.

 

[Revoltingest]

The first step happened in Feb 2020, the last step couldn't happen overnight.

Trump failed at so many grandiose plans, eg,
the "wall" paid for by Mexico, de-nuking N Korea,
preventing Iran's nuclear tech.
He'd have failed in Afghanistan too. Biden failed
better by immediate exit, thereby stemming the
financial loss.
I'd also expect Trump to have supported Putin's
invasion of Ukraine, with the consequence of
emboldening further conquest in Europe.

More Trump fun....
Stacking SCOTUS with a 6 to 9 majority of Catholics,
thereby increasing its theocratic leanings.

 

[Stevicus]

One problem is we weren't just after the leader, we were after the whole gang to teach them a lesson(the reckoning), which was an unattainable objective/goal.

He was the leader of al-Qaeda. We wanted them all, not just bin Laden.

Trouble is, America's leaders have not been very good teachers. Reagan was a bad teacher when he made an arms-for-hostages deal with Iran, displaying America's weakness for all to see, as well as sending military aid to the forerunners of the Taliban, back when they were called the Mujahadeen. Rumor has it that his campaign was involved in secret dealings with Iran during the 1980 election season. By doing so, Reagan gave permission to every terrorist the world and placed a big target on America's back. Reagan legitimized and enabled global terrorism and he was a shameless suck-up when it came to China and Saudi Arabia. (But some people think Reagan because he "won the Cold War," which he didn't, but who cares anyway?)

Because America elects leaders like that, many countries around the world are starting to think of America as a laughingstock, filled with nothing but suckers and fools. That's the "lesson" that we've been teaching them for the past 40 years, and then we wonder why things aren't working out.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trouble is, America's leaders have not been very good teachers. Reagan was a bad teacher when he made an arms-for-hostages deal with Iran, displaying America's weakness for all to see, as well as sending military aid to the forerunners of the Taliban, back when they were called the Mujahadeen. Rumor has it that his campaign was involved in secret dealings with Iran during the 1980 election season. By doing so, Reagan gave permission to every terrorist the world and placed a big target on America's back. Reagan legitimized and enabled global terrorism and he was a shameless suck-up when it came to China and Saudi Arabia. (But some people think Reagan because he "won the Cold War," which he didn't, but who cares anyway?)

The left bristles at any thought that Reagan did anything
good, so of course they deny his ending the cold war.
But he did indeed foster that result. It wasn't so much
due to spending the Soviets into the ground when they
tried to keep up militarily. He did an about face on the
evil empire view to become friendly towards Russia, &
exploiting Gorbachev's receptivity to peace.
Credit Suzanne Massey for her counsel to Reagan.

 

[Father Heathen]

The Russian Collusion scam and the fake news media blitzkrieg divided the country.

I'm pretty sure it was the right's assault on science and liberty that had a lot to do with it.

 

[We Never Know]

Trump failed at so many grandiose plans, eg,
the "wall" paid for by Mexico, de-nuking N Korea,
preventing Iran's nuclear tech.
He'd have failed in Afghanistan too. Biden failed
better by immediate exit, thereby stemming the
financial loss.
I'd also expect Trump to have supported Putin's
invasion of Ukraine, with the consequence of
emboldening further conquest in Europe.

More Trump fun....
Stacking SCOTUS with a 6 to 9 majority of Catholics,
thereby increasing its theocratic leanings.

And here I thought it was about Afganistan

And.. I'm guessing a judge cant be appointed unless a seat needs to be filled

How Trump compares with other recent presidents in appointing federal judges​

How Trump compares with other recent presidents in appointing federal judges

Donald Trump leaves the White House having appointed nearly as many appeals court judges in four years as Barack Obama appointed in eight.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[We Never Know]

Trouble is, America's leaders have not been very good teachers. Reagan was a bad teacher when he made an arms-for-hostages deal with Iran, displaying America's weakness for all to see, as well as sending military aid to the forerunners of the Taliban, back when they were called the Mujahadeen. Rumor has it that his campaign was involved in secret dealings with Iran during the 1980 election season. By doing so, Reagan gave permission to every terrorist the world and placed a big target on America's back. Reagan legitimized and enabled global terrorism and he was a shameless suck-up when it came to China and Saudi Arabia. (But some people think Reagan because he "won the Cold War," which he didn't, but who cares anyway?)

Because America elects leaders like that, many countries around the world are starting to think of America as a laughingstock, filled with nothing but suckers and fools. That's the "lesson" that we've been teaching them for the past 40 years, and then we wonder why things aren't working out.

"Because America elects leaders like that, many countries around the world are starting to think of America as a laughingstock, filled with nothing but suckers and fools."

The last two elections support that.

 

[ChristineM]

"Because America elects leaders like that, many countries around the world are starting to think of America as a laughingstock, filled with nothing but suckers and fools."

The last two elections support that.

This was largely true about Trump but Biden took the humour out of America the laughingstock

 

[Estro Felino]

"Because America elects leaders like that, many countries around the world are starting to think of America as a laughingstock, filled with nothing but suckers and fools."

The last two elections support that.

Actually it's more serious than that. It's pure Stockholm syndrome.
We know what country played a significant role in Nine Eleven, after some documents were declassified. FBI begins declassifying documents into Saudi 9/11 links

Nevertheless, after Nine Eleven the United States decided to destroy the only countries of the Middle East who have always countered, opposed fundamentalism and terrorism, like that of Nine Eleven: Iraq, Libya, Syria.
Libya has always been incredibly prosperous and modern. Very secular country.

I think that rolling red carpets at those who want to undo you is Stockholm Syndrome. With all due respect.

 

[Revoltingest]

And here I thought it was about Afganistan

The thread is broader than that.

And.. I'm guessing a judge cant be appointed unless a seat needs to be filled

How Trump compares with other recent presidents in appointing federal judges​

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How Trump compares with other recent presidents in appointing federal judges

Donald Trump leaves the White House having appointed nearly as many appeals court judges in four years as Barack Obama appointed in eight.

www.pewresearch.org

How is the speed of appointing judges significant?