Trump.. The greatest president America ever had

[We Never Know]

The thread is broader than that.

How is the speed of appointing judges significant?

If five seats become availible under Biden, do you think he would fill them?

Trump filled empty seats. Not his fault they needed replacements is it?

 

[Father Heathen]

"Because America elects leaders like that, many countries around the world are starting to think of America as a laughingstock, filled with nothing but suckers and fools."

The last two elections support that.

International Views of Biden and U.S. Largely Positive

Overwhelmingly, people believe the U.S. interferes in the affairs of other countries (82%), but most also believe the U.S. contributes to peace and stability around the world (61%). U.S. President Joe Biden receives mostly positive reviews from publics around the world with 54% expressing...

www.pewresearch.org

Biden Is Much More Popular Than Trump Around the World

Trump’s toxic image abroad represents a reputational threat for the broader GOP, which isn’t as loathed by the global community

pro.morningconsult.com

Global approval was/is up with Obama and Biden, and were down with Trump and Bush.

 

[Stevicus]

The left bristles at any thought that Reagan did anything
good, so of course they deny his ending the cold war.
But he did indeed foster that result. It wasn't so much
due to spending the Soviets into the ground when they
tried to keep up militarily. He did an about face on the
evil empire view to become friendly towards Russia, &
exploiting Gorbachev's receptivity to peace.
Credit Suzanne Massey for her counsel to Reagan.

His view of the USSR was straight out of the 1950s, although his worldview had not caught up to what was actually happening in 1980s. That's how America got blindsided in subsequent decades (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11, etc.).

 

[Stevicus]

"Because America elects leaders like that, many countries around the world are starting to think of America as a laughingstock, filled with nothing but suckers and fools."

The last two elections support that.

More like the last 11 elections (not counting mid-terms).

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well....


"The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership

Biden delayed the May 1 withdrawal date that he inherited. But ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31, despite obvious signs that the Taliban wasn’t complying with the agreement and had a stated goal to create an “Islamic government” in Afghanistan after the U.S. left, even if it meant it had to “continue our war to achieve our goal.”

Biden assured Americans last month that a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was “not inevitable,” and denied that U.S. intelligence assessed that the Afghan government would likely collapse. But it did — and quickly."

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

We lay out many of the key diplomatic decisions, military actions, presidential pronouncements and expert assessments of the withdrawal agreement that ended the U.S. military's 20-year war in Afghanistan.

www.factcheck.org

Yep, sometimes government officials lie. So what? It still had to be done. If they had followed Trumps deal to a T we would have failed even harder or we would still be there. Biden bit the bullet. Why didn't Trump end the occupation while he was in office? You should be asking yourself why he pushed that burden on to Biden. He probably knew that it would fail too.

 

[sun rise]

Trump.. The greatest president America ever had.

I"ve seen and heard that by many. When asked what makes Trump the greatest president America ever had, he loves America is the usual answer. When asked for details, not many answers get thrown around

So if you think Trump is the greatest president America ever had, tell me why.


PS: If you want to talk about how bad he was, start a thread. I'm interested in why people think he is great.

PPS: As pointed out, It is in the debate forum so have at it lol

The level of ignorance behind that assertion is sad since it ignores Washington and Lincoln just to name two.

 

[Stevicus]

Actually it's more serious than that. It's pure Stockholm syndrome.
We know what country played a significant role in Nine Eleven, after some documents were declassified. FBI begins declassifying documents into Saudi 9/11 links

Nevertheless, after Nine Eleven the United States decided to destroy the only countries of the Middle East who have always countered, opposed fundamentalism and terrorism, like that of Nine Eleven: Iraq, Libya, Syria.
Libya has always been incredibly prosperous and modern. Very secular country.

I think that rolling red carpets at those who want to undo you is Stockholm Syndrome. With all due respect.

Whatever "syndrome" may be affecting America, I think it probably goes back to WW2. From about 1945 to 1965, it was kind of a golden age for America, economically, industrially, culturally; this was our peak.

In 1945, America had a choice.

We could have done as Patton and MacArthur recommended, that we go directly to war with the USSR and prevent a Cold War before it ever got started.

Or we could have taken a more progressive and peaceful approach, which could have led to greater cooperation and friendship in the world.

Instead, the Powers That Be opted for a policy they called "Containment," which was mainly an attempt at propping up the status quo which had already existed in the world, while branding it as some kind of "new" ideological war between communism and capitalism. On a practical level, it led to a worldwide strategy of geopolitical brinkmanship, with the US and its allies on one side, and the Soviet Bloc on the other, including numerous revolutionary groups in Latin America and the colonial world, which was in a state of collapse already.

But it also led to domestic changes and a new reality that Americans had never faced before. We never had a CIA prior to the creation of that agency. We never had any need for any kind of international spy agency. We didn't have an NSA either. Even the FBI was a relatively new institution in the late 1940s, having been created in the 1920s, and was relatively small and insignificant at first. We didn't really have or need any permanent military establishment either. Prior to WW2, except in times of war, the US military was generally pretty small. That all changed after WW2. This is when the so-called "Swamp" came into being.

I don't believe that America's leadership really wanted an American "empire" in the traditional sense, but they seemed to revel in and enjoy America's position of primacy which we once held in the world. But their ways of operating resembled that of mobsters and street fighters more than actual statesmen. The CIA and other agencies had to do in secret the things that our government couldn't admit to publicly. Because reasons. A lot of it didn't even make any sense, and some things came back to bite us later on (such as with the Shah in Iran).

Unfortunately, in the ensuing decades, Americans have found that propping up the global status quo has turned into a full-time, 24/7/365 job. We've been at it non-stop since 1945. Naturally, it takes its toll after a while.

 

[Estro Felino]

Whatever "syndrome" may be affecting America, I think it probably goes back to WW2. From about 1945 to 1965, it was kind of a golden age for America, economically, industrially, culturally; this was our peak.

In 1945, America had a choice.

We could have done as Patton and MacArthur recommended, that we go directly to war with the USSR and prevent a Cold War before it ever got started.

Or we could have taken a more progressive and peaceful approach, which could have led to greater cooperation and friendship in the world.

Instead, the Powers That Be opted for a policy they called "Containment," which was mainly an attempt at propping up the status quo which had already existed in the world, while branding it as some kind of "new" ideological war between communism and capitalism. On a practical level, it led to a worldwide strategy of geopolitical brinkmanship, with the US and its allies on one side, and the Soviet Bloc on the other, including numerous revolutionary groups in Latin America and the colonial world, which was in a state of collapse already.

But it also led to domestic changes and a new reality that Americans had never faced before. We never had a CIA prior to the creation of that agency. We never had any need for any kind of international spy agency. We didn't have an NSA either. Even the FBI was a relatively new institution in the late 1940s, having been created in the 1920s, and was relatively small and insignificant at first. We didn't really have or need any permanent military establishment either. Prior to WW2, except in times of war, the US military was generally pretty small. That all changed after WW2. This is when the so-called "Swamp" came into being.

I don't believe that America's leadership really wanted an American "empire" in the traditional sense, but they seemed to revel in and enjoy America's position of primacy which we once held in the world. But their ways of operating resembled that of mobsters and street fighters more than actual statesmen. The CIA and other agencies had to do in secret the things that our government couldn't admit to publicly. Because reasons. A lot of it didn't even make any sense, and some things came back to bite us later on (such as with the Shah in Iran).

Unfortunately, in the ensuing decades, Americans have found that propping up the global status quo has turned into a full-time, 24/7/365 job. We've been at it non-stop since 1945. Naturally, it takes its toll after a while.

Does the CIA work for the American people?
No...they probably work for certain banking dynasties who are not the American people.
It's saddening how people still trust them, though.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you think our democracy and liberty is a worthwhile sacrifice?

It seems to be pointless in light of a leadership that actually spits on freedom and democracy.

 

[Stevicus]

Does the CIA work for the American people?
No...they probably work for certain banking dynasties who are not the American people.
It's saddening how people still trust them, though.

It was established by the National Security Act of 1947. Since America's elected representatives passed it and the President signed it - and also since the U.S. taxpayers are/were paying for it - then it stands to reason they should be working for the American people.

Of course, we also expect that from our police departments, but we can see how that works out.

 

[Altfish]

I think he is the best POTUS of the 21st century, that's for sure.

Why? Because unlike his predecessors, he focused on the United States; on how to improve the economy and on how to improve society.

His predecessors were insanely obsessed with destroying Middle East countries, and they greatly succeeded.
Congratulations, dear destroyers of countries.

But the economy was far better under Obama and Biden??

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

But the economy was far better under Obama and Biden??

In what universe? Surely not this one.

 

[Father Heathen]

It seems to be pointless in light of a leadership that actually spits on freedom and democracy.

Who overturned Roe vs. Wade? Who has been trying to ban library books, and who tried to overturn an election?

 

[F1fan]

That would likely be FDR through JFK, since that would mark the time of America's economic and geopolitical peak, and it was also when the standard of living for the common man increased by leaps and bounds. By LBJ, the cracks started to show.

Oddly a period where women’s and minority’s rights expanded, and grievances did as well. There is a correlation between expanding liberties and expanding racism and intolerance.

 

[Revoltingest]

If five seats become availible under Biden, do you think he would fill them?

Yes.

Trump filled empty seats. Not his fault they needed replacements is it?

Not his fault.
However, he is responsible for whom he appoints
& nominates, along with any back room deals made.

What is the relevance of these questions?

 

[Revoltingest]

His view of the USSR was straight out of the 1950s....

It indeed was.
Do you deny his changing view towards Russia?

 

[Revoltingest]

There is a correlation between expanding liberties and expanding racism and intolerance.

I disagree.
Perhaps it seems to correlate because bigots
become louder when reduced oppression
leads to despised groups exercising rights.

 

[Revoltingest]

Whatever "syndrome" may be affecting America, I think it probably goes back to WW2. From about 1945 to 1965, it was kind of a golden age for America, economically, industrially, culturally; this was our peak.

Golden age?
For some, yes.
For others....
A culture of wide ranging bigotry, eg, racial, sex, religion.
Unsafe cars spewing lead & toxic fumes.
Little competition from foreign companies that lay in ruins.
Awful highly censored TV.
Homes with lead in the plumbing, asbestos all over, no
insulation, inadequate electrical systems, no AC, etc.

Nah, we're far better off today.

 

[F1fan]

I disagree.
Perhaps it seems to correlate because bigots
become louder when reduced oppression
leads to despised groups exercising rights.

Good point. Yes the racism was already there. The public outrage increased when marginalized groups were recognized as being equal to white men. Not a surprise because what argument do they have against expanding liberty? None. But they feel angry, aren’t sure why they are angry, but know how to make themselves feel better by attacking others. Trump is their champion.

 

[Revoltingest]

But the economy was far better under Obama and Biden??

Presidents have little influence on the economy.
But people love to credit their own party, &
blame the other when it suits them.
Things were awful when Covid arrived under
Trump's watch. Was it his fault?