Trump trial proves to be political after all

[mikkel_the_dane]

The left pretty much is regarded as unstable as evidenced by the non stop ranting and pathological obsessions that really do nothing in any real practical or beneficial way for the nation.

Yeah, that goes for both flanks, but then you have your bias, so you can only see one. I have my bias and I can see the bias of all 3 including the centers.
Bias is fun, because you can learn to see your own.

 

[Tomef]

You sure?

Turkey's President Erdogan calls on the Islamic world to take action over Gaza, declares Israel 'a threat to all humanity' and Netanyahu a 'vampire' following latest deadly strike​

Erdogan calls on the Islamic world to take action over Gaza

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on the Islamic world to take action against Israel in response to the latest deadly strike in the Gaza Strip.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You have the idea that Erdogan is a ‘leftist’?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The left pretty much is regarded as unstable as evidenced by the non stop ranting and pathological obsessions that really do nothing in any real practical or beneficial way for the nation.

More projection. That they want to protect the US from the person that was deemed by historians to be one of the worst Presidents ever if not THE worst President ever isn't it reasonable for them to try to stop Trump's success?

 

[Twilight Hue]

More projection. That they want to protect the US from the person that was deemed by historians to be one of the worst Presidents ever if not THE worst President ever isn't it reasonable for them to try to stop Trump's success?

Trumps actual political record as president states otherwise.

Far from 'worse' which confirms the irrational behaviors displayed by emotional ranting Democrats to the contrary.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Trumps actual political record as president states otherwise.

Far from 'worse' which confirms the irrational behaviors displayed by emotional ranting Democrats to the contrary.

There is no objective standard for this one way or another.
You really should learn the difference between what is and how it matters.
And how something as a case of is, can be subjective.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Trumps actual political record as president states otherwise.

Far from 'worse' which confirms the irrational behaviors displayed by emotional ranting Democrats to the contrary.

What makes you think that? What specific policies did he enact that did nor make him incompetent?

 

[Magic Man]

So? Am I supposed to let 12 New Yorkers and a biased judge with a daughter who raises money for democrats tell me who to vote for?
You seem to think conservatives are easily swayed.
BTW, the verdict will be appealed, and that's when the irregularities will be exposed. That judge should retire early if he doesn't want to end his career in disgrace.

I imagine this will be roughly the response of most of MAGAland. "Oh, he was convicted in a court of law by regular jurors after having the ability to defend himself with the best lawyers available? Rigged!"

I think the hypothetical he posed when he ran for office in 2016 has been answered resoundingly. He could murder someone in the middle of the street, and you and the other MAGA followers would still support him.

 

[Tomef]

So? Am I supposed to let 12 New Yorkers and a biased judge with a daughter who raises money for democrats tell me who to vote for?
You seem to think conservatives are easily swayed.
BTW, the verdict will be appealed, and that's when the irregularities will be exposed. That judge should retire early if he doesn't want to end his career in disgrace.

What will the line be once the appeal fails?

What is it you aren’t getting here? He actually did falsify business records, and he did it specifically to cover over something he thought would affect his chances of being elected. This is what actually happened. What is it that you imagine happened, instead of the real things that actually happened?

 

[Twilight Hue]

What makes you think that? What specific policies did he enact that did nor make him incompetent?

A little history and a good source that you like ought to lay the issue to rest.

US election 2020: Has Trump delivered on his promises?

Donald Trump made voters a number of promises before they elected him. But has he kept his word?

www.bbc.com

He wasn't perfect , not the best, but his established presidential record wasn't all that bad either.

 

[Magic Man]

A little history and a good source that you like ought to lay the issue to rest.

US election 2020: Has Trump delivered on his promises?

Donald Trump made voters a number of promises before they elected him. But has he kept his word?

www.bbc.com

He wasn't perfect , not the best, but his established presidential record wasn't all that bad either.

This only deals with whether he delivered on campaign promises. That doesn't mean he was a good or bad president. For instance, 3 examples they use are: Reshaping the judiciary, tax cuts and raising military spending. The fact that he did those things is part of why so many people would say he wasn't a good president.

Trump ranks last or near the bottom of rankings done by presidential scholars.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This only deals with whether he delivered on campaign promises. That doesn't mean he was a good or bad president. For instance, 3 examples they use are: Reshaping the judiciary, tax cuts and raising military spending. The fact that he did those things is part of why so many people would say he wasn't a good president.

Trump ranks last or near the bottom of rankings done by presidential scholars.

You mean left wing presidential scholars.

 

[Magic Man]

You mean left wing presidential scholars.

No, I mean presidential scholars. Not everyone who disagrees with you or sees Trump negatively is "left wing".

 

[McBell]

No, I mean presidential scholars. Not everyone who disagrees with you or sees Trump negatively is "left wing".

Le Gasp!!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Trumps actual political record as president states otherwise.

Far from 'worse' which confirms the irrational behaviors displayed by emotional ranting Democrats to the contrary.

A second Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey was sent to members of the Presidents and Executive Politics section of the APSA in 2018, ranked Donald Trump for the first time, putting him in last position.[26] In the 2024 edition, Trump easily had the worst showing with a score of 10.92 out of 100, while self-identified Republican historians rated Trump in the bottom five.[27] The study organizers noted a drop in recent Republican presidents' scores by speculating that respondents put more weight towards a president's fealty towards political and institutional norms.[28][29] The first version of this poll was conducted in 2015.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Spice]

Trumps actual political record as president states otherwise.

Far from 'worse' which confirms the irrational behaviors displayed by emotional ranting Democrats to the contrary.

Every president has approximately 18 months rollover from the previous administration. Trump inherited smooth sailing for this period of time, but did not manage it all well.

He left some alone and then took the credit for it, like someone who doesn't know anything about baking, but who takes the pie out of the oven to all the ooos and ahhhs of admiration. And he built a mess with his other decisions, most of which were incomplete dabbles here and there.
● Wasted time, money, and effort on border "walls" instead of reconstruction of immigration policy.
● Photo ops signing unnecessary and ineffective Executive Orders.
● Psychologically enabling the likes of Putin, Kim, dictators, want-to-bes, and far right nationalist around the globe.
● And revived public activity of the White Supremacy Movement here in our own country.
● Neglected proper support for American withdrawal from Afghanistan......

Well, you should get my drift. And I didn't mention any of the detrimental handling of citizenry crisis such as hurricane damage and Covid.

His record "honestly" sucked, but his showmanship was nearly as good as Copperfield's -- quite the illusionist.

 

[Stevicus]

A second Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey was sent to members of the Presidents and Executive Politics section of the APSA in 2018, ranked Donald Trump for the first time, putting him in last position.[26] In the 2024 edition, Trump easily had the worst showing with a score of 10.92 out of 100, while self-identified Republican historians rated Trump in the bottom five.[27] The study organizers noted a drop in recent Republican presidents' scores by speculating that respondents put more weight towards a president's fealty towards political and institutional norms.[28][29] The first version of this poll was conducted in 2015.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That chart is interesting from the standpoint of how the rankings and perceptions of Presidents have changed over the years. I noticed that President Grant has moved up quite a bit in the rankings. I remember reading that he was considered a "Failure," the lowest rankings among historians, although it seems his historical reputation has elevated considerably since that time. Andrew Jackson has also come down, from 6th place to 21st.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Every president has approximately 18 months rollover from the previous administration. Trump inherited smooth sailing for this period of time, but did not manage it all well.

He left some alone and then took the credit for it, like someone who doesn't know anything about baking, but who takes the pie out of the oven to all the ooos and ahhhs of admiration. And he built a mess with his other decisions, most of which were incomplete dabbles here and there.
● Wasted time, money, and effort on border "walls" instead of reconstruction of immigration policy.
● Photo ops signing unnecessary and ineffective Executive Orders.
● Psychologically enabling the likes of Putin, Kim, dictators, want-to-bes, and far right nationalist around the globe.
● And revived public activity of the White Supremacy Movement here in our own country.
● Neglected proper support for American withdrawal from Afghanistan......

Well, you should get my drift. And I didn't mention any of the detrimental handling of citizenry crisis such as hurricane damage and Covid.

His record "honestly" sucked, buy his showmanship was nearly as good as Copperfield's -- quite the illusionist.

Sounds exactly what the democrats do themselves.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, I mean presidential scholars. Not everyone who disagrees with you or sees Trump negatively is "left wing".

I doubt that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I doubt that.

Yeah, but it doesn't make it a fact.
I doubt that you are a human and I doubt that you have a right to life. That are now facts. You wouldn't accept that and neither would I. So I don't accept as well something based on that you just doubt.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah, but it doesn't make it a fact.
I doubt that you are a human and I doubt that you have a right to life. That are now facts. You wouldn't accept that and neither would I. So I don't accept as well something based on that you just doubt.

That's why I didnt make a deterministic statement and left it as a doubt.