"Trump's Lies vs. Obama's"

[Faithofchristian]

Sorry.
Your belief that Clinton was impeached over sex is no more true than your belief in Jesus's Resurrection.
Tom

You know, a person can always tell when the other person is caught. They will always bring someone else into things, that has nothing to do with what's being talk about.
Therefore you bringing Jesus in on the Subject, which has nothing to do with him.

Just shows your lack of having anything to support your agenda.

 

[Skwim]

So by all means, explain if it was consensual, Then why was Billy boy pervert clinton impeach. If it was as you say consensual.

The impeachment process of Bill Clinton was initiated by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, against Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice.[1] These charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones. Clinton was subsequently acquitted of these charges by the Senate on February 12, 1999.[2] Two other impeachment articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power – failed in the House.

In 1994, Paula Jones filed a lawsuit accusing Clinton of sexual harassment when he was governor of Arkansas.
Source: Wikipedia​

This is just another example how democrates are using what Billy boy clintion did to try and use it against Trump.
Trying to say Trump did this or that,

Hey, It was Trump himself who who bragged about sexually harassing women. Look it up.

.

 

[oldbadger]

It all depends upon what one values in a president.
You're lucky. You didn't have to endure...
Obamacare fines & other costs
Continued wars
Tax increases
Worsening financial regulation
And worst of all....
Euphoric Democrats all awtitter over how progressive a symbol he was

The financial regulation must have worked quite well.
A well known Brit Bank got caught, laundering drug and crime cartel monies in the US. Your Gov could have closed the bank down but the Brit gov begged that it be allowed to survive and so the US gov fined this bank $19 billion instead.

Over here financial regulation to crush ring-fencing and cash laundering is really taking a grip now.

You're going to have to dig up all those $bills and go buy gold, or gems!
Or very old motorbikes. A BMW 250cc single cylinder sold for $492,000 over your way. My mate had one back in the 60's...... I wonder where it is now. It was the only one I ever saw.

 

[oldbadger]

Just keep scratching????
I don't have nor want crabs
I don't have nor want poison ivy
I don't have nor want poison oak

So you just keep on scratching, maybe that's a liberal thing. You know like thinking Obama was the savior of the world thus causing discomfort....but you seem to like discomfort if you like scratching

We could do with Statesmen and women like him.

I'm not itching, it's that @Revoltingest who has always got irritated at the mention of such an amazing politician as Former President Obama.

QUESTION: Can a Former President stand for election to the Presidency again after a break?

 

[oldbadger]

Isn't that the case with every US president(including Ronald, Bill and George), despite themselves.

I don't know................
Over here we turn away from past PMs almost immediately. They become 'has-beens'.
Pretty shallow of us, really.
Only the name of Churchill has survived.

 

[Jumi]

No, not really.
Reagan, of course, passed away with Alzhiemers years ago.

Millions dead, all forgotten and forgiven.

Clinton did such a good job of governing that he remains popular to this day.

Yep, those cluster bombs and bombings of civilians well forgotten.

Bush was such a disaster of a president that even the Republicans rarely give him a podium. And then, only in carefully controlled circumstances.

He seems rather well rehabilitated, with people on RF saying he was better than Trump, despite the amount of death caused by him.

They have to be that way, because if they didn't the fact that most of their accusations against Obama amounts to "He didn't fix the damage caused by Bush" would become obvious to the least informed voters.

Syria and Libya probably have a different view of this.

The Republicans are generally embarrassed by their presidents and the Democrats are proud of theirs.

I highly doubt your view here. People who pick political parties tend to be proud of their own and will believe good things about them.

That might not be clear to people in Europe.

Those silly Europeans, looking at it from the outside.

 

[Jumi]

I don't know................
Over here we turn away from past PMs almost immediately. They become 'has-beens'.
Pretty shallow of us, really.
Only the name of Churchill has survived.

Well, he was a war hero for a defensive war despite what he did wouldn't be accepted today, as well as what he did in India.

 

[esmith]

QUESTION: Can a Former President stand for election to the Presidency again after a break?

According to the 22nd Amendment of our Constitution no.
No one may be elected to the officer of President more than twice.
LBJ could have served more than 8 years if he had been elected twice, because he had also completed the last 14 months of JFK's term.
LBJ was President from Nov 23, 1963 to Jan 20, 1969

FDR was the last President to serve more than 2 terms, he was elected to 4 terms.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The impeachment process of Bill Clinton was initiated by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, against Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice.[1] These charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones. Clinton was subsequently acquitted of these charges by the Senate on February 12, 1999.[2] Two other impeachment articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power – failed in the House.

In 1994, Paula Jones filed a lawsuit accusing Clinton of sexual harassment when he was governor of Arkansas.
Source: Wikipedia​

Hey, It was Trump himself who who bragged about sexually harassing women. Look it up.

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One good thing about that impeachment is that it lowers the bar for impeaching Trump, though at this point it would go nowhere in either house. And even if every Republican loses reelection in the 2018 Senate race there still might not be enough for a conviction (though by then the remaining Republicans might be able to read the writing on the wall).

 

[Revoltingest]

The financial regulation must have worked quite well.

As I've detailed in other posts, regulation changes under his admin harmed recovery,
eg, requiring foreclosures in lieu of refinancing, making refinancing of troubled loans
to stabilize them more difficult. I'm heavily into lending & borrowing, & saw first hand
the carnage he caused/allowed.

A well known Brit Bank got caught, laundering drug and crime cartel monies in the US. Your Gov could have closed the bank down but the Brit gov begged that it be allowed to survive and so the US gov fined this bank $19 billion instead.

We've been bitten by one of your banks operating here
to our detriment, ie, RBS (which owns Citizens & others).
Nasty folk...& owned (80+% by your government).

Over here financial regulation to crush ring-fencing and cash laundering is really taking a grip now.
You're going to have to dig up all those $bills and go buy gold, or gems!
Or very old motorbikes. A BMW 250cc single cylinder sold for $492,000 over your way. My mate had one back in the 60's...... I wonder where it is now. It was the only one I ever saw.

I have financial plans in the works to weather increased inflation & a possible war with NK.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not itching, it's that @Revoltingest who has always got irritated at the mention of such an amazing politician as Former President Obama.

Someone's projecting.
Don't confuse irritation with mere disagreement over your man love for Obama.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Someone's projecting.
Don't confuse irritation with mere disagreement over your man love for Obama.

Obama was a good president, but I am not sure if I would call him a great one. The mess that he inherited from Bush was largely due to actions by both parties. It was problem that was bound to happen sooner or later. Yet Obama continually dishonestly placed all of the blame on Bush. In that sense Bush was showed a lot ore class than Obama did. He did not blame his problems on Clinton. Clinton profited from the recovery of the recession that occurred during Bush 1's tenure. It was already well into recovery long before his election, though the news never admitted that. I think the bias that existed then was largely responsible for the birth of FOX News, which in its early years was a decent and reliable source. But I digress. I was not fond of Obama's efforts for recovery. Too many of his moves were political ones and did very little for the economy with a boat load of money. Still it could have been worse.

 

[Revoltingest]

Obama was a good president, but I am not sure if I would call him a great one. The mess that he inherited from Bush was largely due to actions by both parties. It was problem that was bound to happen sooner or later. Yet Obama continually dishonestly placed all of the blame on Bush. In that sense Bush was showed a lot ore class than Obama did. He did not blame his problems on Clinton. Clinton profited from the recovery of the recession that occurred during Bush 1's tenure. It was already well into recovery long before his election, though the news never admitted that. I think the bias that existed then was largely responsible for the birth of FOX News, which in its early years was a decent and reliable source. But I digress. I was not fond of Obama's efforts for recovery. Too many of his moves were political ones and did very little for the economy with a boat load of money. Still it could have been worse.

Dang....nothing to argue with!

 

[Faithofchristian]

You know it was said that once Trump became President people would take the knee to him and the NFL got the message big time.

All Liberal democrates wants is to turn this Country into a third world country.

Liberal democrates say, let anyone and everyone come here, we will take care of you, we have our middle class people that will work to pay out of their tax dollars for you.
You can have a free ride on the tax payers expense. That's Liberal democrates way of thinking. Always wants something at other people's expenses.

 

[Valjean]

All Liberal democrates wants is to turn this Country into a third world country.

We're already well on our way to 3rd world status.
Wages have been static or decreasing for 30+ years, income inequality's at a historic level, unions have been busted, pensions have all but disappeared, infrastructure is decaying, the social safety net is being chipped away at, government services are being defunded and manned with management inimical to their missions, the state's been given unprecedented search, surveillance and police powers, congress responds to bankers and oligarchs, rather than the people, &c, &c.

Liberal democrates say, let anyone and everyone come here, we will take care of you, we have our middle class people that will work to pay out of their tax dollars for you.
You can have a free ride on the tax payers expense. That's Liberal democrates way of thinking. Always wants something at other people's expenses.

I think this illustrates a Republican mindset well (and, oddly, an anti-Christian mindset too).
You resent helping the 'undeserving' poor, you're xenophobic and resent immigrants -- even legal ones -- even though economists say the immigrants -- even the illegal ones -- are a boon to the economy. You strike me as tribal, uncharitable and anti social.

People in liberal democracies are more prosperous and secure. Why would you not want this?

 

[Faithofchristian]

We're already well on our way to 3rd world status.
Wages have been static or decreasing for 30+ years, income inequality's at a historic level, unions have been busted, pensions have all but disappeared, infrastructure is decaying, the social safety net is being chipped away at, government services are being defunded and manned with management inimical to their missions, the state's been given unprecedented search, surveillance and police powers, congress responds to bankers and oligarchs, rather than the people, &c, &c.

I think this illustrates a Republican mindset well (and, oddly, an anti-Christian mindset too).
You resent helping the 'undeserving' poor, you're xenophobic and resent immigrants -- even legal ones -- even though economists say the immigrants -- even the illegal ones -- are a boon to the economy. You strike me as tribal and anti social.

People in liberal democracies are more prosperous and secure. Why would you not want this?

Everything that you said can be leveled to the democrates. Since democrates help the power for 8 years and did nothing.

You say people's wages are lower. And you still want people to come here,Who exactly are going to pay for them.
You think that people who are working should pay out of their tax dollars.

So you believe that people who come here should have a free ride off people who work should pay out of their tax dollars.
To give people a free ride.
Hey that's not a bad idea, so you wouldn't mind paying for other people, and you work, while they have a free ride off of you.

So Democrates had 8 years and still did nothing. Now what's your excuse.

 

[oldbadger]

Well, he was a war hero for a defensive war despite what he did wouldn't be accepted today, as well as what he did in India.

Yes.
And so many strategies that caused so many lives.
And those Cossacks given up to the Russians after the war.
And...........

We Brits forgave everything for his efforts during the war.

 

[oldbadger]

As I've detailed in other posts, regulation changes under his admin harmed recovery,
eg, requiring foreclosures in lieu of refinancing, making refinancing of troubled loans
to stabilize them more difficult. I'm heavily into lending & borrowing, & saw first hand
the carnage he caused/allowed.

That's your opinion!
Continuous and increasing lending to bodies that will never be able to rpay what they already owe, or who were so irresponsible in the first place, leads to carnage. Your President Obama simply had the guts to 'front it'.
And of course you didn't like it!

We've been bitten by one of your banks operating here to our detriment, ie, RBS (which owns Citizens & others). Nasty folk...& owned (80+% by your government).

There was other, even nastier.
Bjut the World is such a ruthless place, filled with so many ruthless people.
And Former President Obama was/is not one of them.
Look at the OP......... you had a decent honest President.

I have financial plans in the works to weather increased inflation & a possible war with NK.

Many of us do.
If I was interested in gathering ancient machines into huge barns I know exactly what I would be doing.
When an old Vincent can be worth £120,000 etc (convert to $ !) it's possible to gather zillions into a friggin' double garage.
Several years ago I went to a rerired gentleman's home and saw a framed line drawing of a Manx Norton, obviously valuable. The gentleman chuckled and took me to his workshop where he rebuilt old bikes, and he showed me both 350 and 500 Gold-Stars, Sunbeam, Ariel 4sq, etc. I was gobsmacked. He then asked if I would like to see the good stuff. A second large room, heavily secured, held a 350 and a 500 Manx Norton, Vincents Rapide and HRD, and a military style Indian.
Who needs shares?

 

[oldbadger]

Someone's projecting.
Don't confuse irritation with mere disagreement over your man love for Obama.

Oh come off it......... you buy so much skin cream from the local pharmacy that your their best customer!

 

[Revoltingest]

That's your opinion!

Well, spluh!
Do you offer any different....the inerrant truth, perhaps?

Continuous and increasing lending to bodies that will never be able to rpay what they already owe, or who were so irresponsible in the first place, leads to carnage. Your President Obama simply had the guts to 'front it'.
And of course you didn't like it!

You aren't familiar with changes in lending regulation in Americastan.
A particular problem is with existing loans, which are at risk of failing.
Regulations which force them into foreclosure have turned loans
which would likely have been salvaged into total default.

There was other, even nastier.
Bjut the World is such a ruthless place, filled with so many ruthless people.
And Former President Obama was/is not one of them.
Look at the OP......... you had a decent honest President.

"Decent & honest" isn't good enuf for a Prez.
I expect more.
But some of his actions were dishonest & harmful, eg, program to help troubled borrowers.
They program was designed to not help those in trouble. How, you ask?
A perfect loan payment record was a requirement. Borrowers in trouble seldom had that.

So what's the explanation for such a policy?
Either Obama was a clueless dolt, who never considered how such an important program
would be implemented.....or he was dishonestly putting on a phony PR show.
Either way, not so great a Prez.

Many of us do.
If I was interested in gathering ancient machines into huge barns I know exactly what I would be doing.
When an old Vincent can be worth £120,000 etc (convert to $ !) it's possible to gather zillions into a friggin' double garage.
Several years ago I went to a rerired gentleman's home and saw a framed line drawing of a Manx Norton, obviously valuable. The gentleman chuckled and took me to his workshop where he rebuilt old bikes, and he showed me both 350 and 500 Gold-Stars, Sunbeam, Ariel 4sq, etc. I was gobsmacked. He then asked if I would like to see the good stuff. A second large room, heavily secured, held a 350 and a 500 Manx Norton, Vincents Rapide and HRD, and a military style Indian.
Who needs shares?

Some people like the good stuff.
(I know all those marques.)