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Soandso

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Biden told Maui wildfire survivors that he can relate, citing a small fire he had in his kitchen in 2004​


It's time for bed, joe. You're mumbling again

You know, as above and out of touch with the normal human experience as elite people are, joe especially doesn't have a clue. As sad as that is, he could die tomorrow and his body could be paraded around like it's weekend at burny's and he'd still have a legitimate chance at running the country - especially if he runs against Trump, the soon to be convicted criminal. I would say that this is American politics, but local politics where I live are so tame in comparison to the national freak show we are subjected to. Yikes
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sure they do .. Looks like you need to visit your definition of Patriotism
Since when is undermining a free election "patriotism".
Absolutly the whole Meuller affair was a Kangaroo clown show . and witch Hunt ... this latest nonsense more of the same .. changing the rules of the game ... Domestic Terrorism being the name of the latest in lame.
You simply don't know what you're talking about, and merely parroting right-wing media is not an intelligent nor an honest thing to do. Numerous Pubs voted for impeachment, although not for removal, so this fact should tell even you something. :rolleyes:
You do not understand the Rule of Law
I taught it.

It's quite clear you have nothing intelligent nor honest to offer here, so "congrats" on successfully shooting yourself in the foot. Good job!
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It seems like less extermination,
but more forced assimilation.
Yeah, Uncle Sam did a lot of that too, including separation of children from parents as an effort to exterminate culture. China even goes after them abroad.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Since when is undermining a free election "patriotism".

You simply don't know what you're talking about, and merely parroting right-wing media is not an intelligent nor an honest thing to do. Numerous Pubs voted for impeachment, although not for removal, so this fact should tell even you something. :rolleyes:

I taught it.

It's quite clear you have nothing intelligent nor honest to offer here, so "congrats" on successfully shooting yourself in the foot. Good job!

"I taught it" You taught "The Rule of Law" and clearly have no idea how it applies in the case of the Kangaroo Clowns. and obviously no idea what Ad Hom Fallacy is .. and strawman "Right wing Media"

this blistering fallcious rant topped off with name calling .. and running from the playground ..

You then finish with some ridiculously nonsensical comment about "Free Elections" claiming someone said undermining one was Patriotism .. having absolutely no clue that free election could be full of fraud and illegitimacy. Just because everyone is free to vote in an election ... does not mean the election was fair .. the fact that you do not know this ... proving you know nothing about Patriotism .. in addition to believing a suppoting third world Kangaroo court -- cause the guy being busted is someone you hate .. is Patriotic.

Guess you thought the Patriot act was Patriotic as well aye mate :) Har har. "Patriot Act" big fan of Baby Bush were ya .. another Patriotic Neocon .. for the fallacyman.

Do they not require a logic class these days for an arts degree ? .. Missed out on that one "taught rule of Law" .. this is both humorous but also sad commentary . .. on the state of our education system.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
"I taught it" You taught "The Rule of Law" and clearly have no idea how it applies in the case of the Kangaroo Clowns. and obviously no idea what Ad Hom Fallacy is .. and strawman "Right wing Media"

this blistering fallcious rant topped off with name calling .. and running from the playground ..

You then finish with some ridiculously nonsensical comment about "Free Elections" claiming someone said undermining one was Patriotism .. having absolutely no clue that free election could be full of fraud and illegitimacy. Just because everyone is free to vote in an election ... does not mean the election was fair .. the fact that you do not know this ... proving you know nothing about Patriotism .. in addition to believing a suppoting third world Kangaroo court -- cause the guy being busted is someone you hate .. is Patriotic.

Guess you thought the Patriot act was Patriotic as well aye mate :) Har har. "Patriot Act" big fan of Baby Bush were ya .. another Patriotic Neocon .. for the fallacyman.

Do they not require a logic class these days for an arts degree ? .. Missed out on that one "taught rule of Law" .. this is both humorous but also sad commentary . .. on the state of our education system.
The dude tried to overturn a free and fair election and the will of the American people and stay in power anyway, like some two-bit dictator. In over 60 court cases he offered ZERO evidence that the election was fraudulent. He and his co-conspirators fomented a violent assault on the Capitol building to stop the peaceful transfer of power, set up fake electors in several different states and tried to bully election officials to "find" votes for him.
And from that you deduce that it's "logical" to conclude that the guy is a patriot?

GImme a break. The guy's a traitor to his country and to the American people.
 
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anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
"I taught it" You taught "The Rule of Law" and clearly have no idea how it applies in the case of the Kangaroo Clowns. and obviously no idea what Ad Hom Fallacy is .. and strawman "Right wing Media"

this blistering fallcious rant topped off with name calling .. and running from the playground ..

You then finish with some ridiculously nonsensical comment about "Free Elections" claiming someone said undermining one was Patriotism .. having absolutely no clue that free election could be full of fraud and illegitimacy. Just because everyone is free to vote in an election ... does not mean the election was fair .. the fact that you do not know this ... proving you know nothing about Patriotism .. in addition to believing a suppoting third world Kangaroo court -- cause the guy being busted is someone you hate .. is Patriotic.

Guess you thought the Patriot act was Patriotic as well aye mate :) Har har. "Patriot Act" big fan of Baby Bush were ya .. another Patriotic Neocon .. for the fallacyman.

Do they not require a logic class these days for an arts degree ? .. Missed out on that one "taught rule of Law" .. this is both humorous but also sad commentary . .. on the state of our education system.

Somewhere, a village is missing its ellipses.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
It is still procedure. Why should Trump be treated any differently than any other person that has been arrested for a crime? I am sure that they fingerprinted him too.
All I am saying is that it was stupid to do so. Turning it around would you say he needs to be treated like everyone else in regards to his rights to be able to defend himself properly? The speedy court dates are a hindrance to his ability to properly defend himself. The indictment in DC for crimes in Florida was against DOJ policies and fairness not done for anyone else for example.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Doesn't matter how recognizable he is. He should get treated the same as anyone else.
I agree, then why is he being treated differently in regards to unreasonable speedy court dates, grand jury locations, assumed guilty before any trial has begun etc.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
All I am saying is that it was stupid to do so. Turning it around would you say he needs to be treated like everyone else in regards to his rights to be able to defend himself properly? The speedy court dates are a hindrance to his ability to properly defend himself. The indictment in DC for crimes in Florida was against DOJ policies and fairness not done for anyone else for example.
The defendant has a right to a speedy trial. There is no such thing as a right to delay the trial.

And he was indicted in Florida for crimes committed in Florida, and he was indicted in DC for crimes committed in DC.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I agree, then why is he being treated differently in regards to unreasonable speedy court dates, grand jury locations, assumed guilty before any trial has begun etc.
Is he though? Plenty of people who participated in the January 6th insurrection have already been indicted, gone to trial and are now serving time.
How long should he get, compared to everyone else?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
The defendent has a right to a speedy trial. There is no such thing as a right to delay the trial.
Correct, but the prosecution does not have that right and the defendant can waive it. The right to a speedy trial is to protect the defendant not help the prosecution. The speedy trial dates were requested by the prosecution and Trumps lawyers argued, rightly so, that those dates do not allow Trump to defend himself properly. The prosecution had years to bring the case and they want the defense to go over millions of pages of documents in 6 months across four cases. That is unreasonable. The judges responsibility in these cases is to ensure the defendant is able to properly defend themselves, not to help the prosecution with their case.

And he was indicted in Florida for crimes committed in Florida, and he was indicted in DC for crimes committed in DC.
No he was not. He was indicted first by a DC court for the records case against DOJ policy. Why do you think this was done?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Is he though? Plenty of people who participated in the January 6th insurrection have already been indicted, gone to trial and are now serving time.
How long should he get, compared to everyone else?
Trump has no say in when he was indicted. He was indicted later than others, how is that his fault? He still needs to be able to properly defend himself. Or do you just not care about his rights because it is Trump?

Why do you think he was indicted when he was and not sooner?
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Correct, but the prosecution does not have that right and the defendant can waive it. The right to a speedy trial is to protect the defendant not help the prosecution. The speedy trial dates were requested by the prosecution and Trumps lawyers argued, rightly so, that those dates do not allow Trump to defend himself properly. The prosecution had years to bring the case and they want the defense to go over millions of pages of documents in 6 months across four cases. That is unreasonable. The judges responsibility in these cases is to ensure the defendant is able to properly defend themselves, not to help the prosecution with their case.
The judge made a decision, you disagree with the decision. That doesn't mean his rights were violated.

No he was not. He was indicted first by a DC court for the records case against DOJ policy. Why do you think this was done?
No, he wasn't. The documents case was brought in Florida. In that case he was indicted in Florida and will be tried in Florida.

It is a Federal case, but it was brought in Florida. You understand the the DOJ can bring cases in every State in the Union, not just DC.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
All I am saying is that it was stupid to do so. Turning it around would you say he needs to be treated like everyone else in regards to his rights to be able to defend himself properly? The speedy court dates are a hindrance to his ability to properly defend himself. The indictment in DC for crimes in Florida was against DOJ policies and fairness not done for anyone else for example.
How could they not release it? That appears to be there policy. As to the DC indictment, I am not a lawyer and neither are you. How do you know what was against DoJ policies? It was imminently fair. He is guilty of the crimes that he has been charged with.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Trump has no say in when he was indicted. He was indicted later than others, how is that his fault? He still needs to be able to properly defend himself. Or do you just not care about his rights because it is Trump?

Why do you think he was indicted when he was and not sooner?
You keep forgetting how Republicans slowed the process down.
 
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