Trump's mug shot

[crossfire]

All I am saying is that it was stupid to do so. Turning it around would you say he needs to be treated like everyone else in regards to his rights to be able to defend himself properly? The speedy court dates are a hindrance to his ability to properly defend himself. The indictment in DC for crimes in Florida was against DOJ policies and fairness not done for anyone else for example.

Well, if he jumps bail and flees the country, there will need to be the necessary documents for extradition.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Trump has no say in when he was indicted. He was indicted later than others, how is that his fault? He still needs to be able to properly defend himself. Or do you just not care about his rights because it is Trump?

Why do you think he was indicted when he was and not sooner?

You seem to be trying to say that Trump is being treated differently (aka worse) than everyone else, when it doesn't appear that is the case. And in fact, it appears that in many instances, he's being treated better than a regular citizen would be in his situation.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Are you still unaware of the Georgia vote counters lives that he ruined?

Unaware is quite a different thing from deliberately maintaining ignorance.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

The judge made a decision, you disagree with the decision. That doesn't mean his rights were violated.

He cannot properly defend himself in the timeframe he has been given. So yes, his rights are being violated. The supposed crimes were all committed at different times but somehow all four cases were brought within months of each other during a campaign and now all the court dates are set during the primary season within months of each other. Would you fight for Trump to have fair trials? Or does that not matter to you?

No, he wasn't. The documents case was brought in Florida. In that case he was indicted in Florida and will be tried in Florida.

It is a Federal case, but it was brought in Florida. You understand the the DOJ can bring cases in every state in the Union, not just DC.

You are misinformed.

Judge skeptical of constitutionality of grand jury in Trump classified documents case in Florida

A federal judge pressed special counsel Jack Smith on Monday to explain why he used a D.C. grand jury to investigate the Florida-based case against former President Donald Trump for mishandling of classified documents.

www.washingtontimes.com

The DOJ policy is to bring indictments where the alleged crimes occurred. The grand jury in Florida based their decision on the DC grand juries findings, not their own.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

He cannot properly defend himself in the timeframe he has been given. So yes, his rights are being violated. The supposed crimes were all committed at different times but somehow all four cases were brought within months of each other during a campaign and now all the court dates are set during the primary season within months of each other. Would you fight for Trump to have fair trials? Or does that not matter to you?


You are misinformed.

Judge skeptical of constitutionality of grand jury in Trump classified documents case in Florida

A federal judge pressed special counsel Jack Smith on Monday to explain why he used a D.C. grand jury to investigate the Florida-based case against former President Donald Trump for mishandling of classified documents.

www.washingtontimes.com

The DOJ policy is to bring indictments where the alleged crimes occurred. The grand jury in Florida based their decision on the DC grand juries findings, not their own.

The first assertion is certainly not the case, and judge was very careful to explain that there was a huge amount of duplication in the materials delivered for discovery, and more importantly, much of it was from Trump and his office. The judge did add months to what the Prosecution wanted.

Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointment, has been trying to protect him since this case came before her -- so egregiously that she was severely scolded by the 11th Circuit! In any case, she is stepping out of her lane -- the courts do not decide where DOJ prosecutes. And as a quick reminder, while the documents were discovered in Florida (Trump's residence), let us not forget where Trump took them from. They were, and are, Federal documents.

 

[anna.]

I agree, then why is he being treated differently in regards to unreasonable speedy court dates, grand jury locations, assumed guilty before any trial has begun etc.

He isn't.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He cannot properly defend himself in the timeframe he has been given. So yes, his rights are being violated. The supposed crimes were all committed at different times but somehow all four cases were brought within months of each other during a campaign and now all the court dates are set during the primary season within months of each other. Would you fight for Trump to have fair trials? Or does that not matter to you?


You are misinformed.

Judge skeptical of constitutionality of grand jury in Trump classified documents case in Florida

A federal judge pressed special counsel Jack Smith on Monday to explain why he used a D.C. grand jury to investigate the Florida-based case against former President Donald Trump for mishandling of classified documents.

www.washingtontimes.com

The DOJ policy is to bring indictments where the alleged crimes occurred. The grand jury in Florida based their decision on the DC grand juries findings, not their own.

A pro-Trump judge that was appointed by him makes questionable claims about a case against him. Not only that she is already the judge on one such case. Her latest activities may get her removed from that one:

This could get Judge Cannon removed from Trump case, Glenn Kirschner warns

Kirschner said on Sunday that he was surprised special counsel Jack Smith has not filed a motion asking for Cannon's recusal.

www.newsweek.com

Do you have any judge not in Trump's pocket that is making those claims?

 

[Wandering Monk]

Correct, but the prosecution does not have that right and the defendant can waive it. The right to a speedy trial is to protect the defendant not help the prosecution. The speedy trial dates were requested by the prosecution and Trumps lawyers argued, rightly so, that those dates do not allow Trump to defend himself properly. The prosecution had years to bring the case and they want the defense to go over millions of pages of documents in 6 months across four cases. That is unreasonable. The judges responsibility in these cases is to ensure the defendant is able to properly defend themselves, not to help the prosecution with their case.

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18 USC 3161 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7)(A).

(7)(A) Any period of delay resulting from a continuance granted by any judge on his own motion or at the request of the defendant or his counsel or at the request of the attorney for the Government, if the judge granted such continuance on the basis of his findings that the ends of justice served by taking such action outweigh the best interest of the public and the defendant in a speedy trial. No such period of delay resulting from a continuance granted by the court in accordance with this paragraph shall be excludable under this subsection unless the court sets forth, in the record of the case, either orally or in writing, its reasons for finding that the ends of justice served by the granting of such continuance outweigh the best interests of the public and the defendant in a speedy trial.

 

[Subduction Zone]

After the Georgia trial wraps up:

 

[metis]

I agree, then why is he being treated differently in regards to unreasonable speedy court dates, grand jury locations, assumed guilty before any trial has begun etc.

That doesn't make any legal or even logical sense.

 

[crossfire]

All I am saying is that it was stupid to do so. Turning it around would you say he needs to be treated like everyone else in regards to his rights to be able to defend himself properly? The speedy court dates are a hindrance to his ability to properly defend himself. The indictment in DC for crimes in Florida was against DOJ policies and fairness not done for anyone else for example.

I do agree with the judge who set the March 4, 2024 court date regarding the attempt to overturn the election. The matter needs to be settled before the next election so the same stuff doesn't happen again and totally endanger our whole election process.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I do agree with the judge who set the March 4, 2024 court date regarding the attempt to overturn the election. The matter needs to be settled before the next election so the same stuff doesn't happen again and totally endanger our whole election process.

Even if it is not enough time for Trump to be able to have a proper defense? Why do you think it took so long for this indictment to happen?

 

[JIMMY12345]

This is trumps actual mug shot. He looks so angry

Has a president or former president ever had a mug shot before this?

Who is the handsome good looking guy in the photo please?

 

[crossfire]

Even if it is not enough time for Trump to be able to have a proper defense? Why do you think it took so long for this indictment to happen?

I think it needs to be examined and put before the American people before the next election in order to avoid endangering the constitutionally guaranteed election process. If the trial(s) run past the election, then so be it. It just can't be totally put off until after the election, risking a repeat or even an escalation of what happened regarding the last election.

 

[metis]

I think it needs to be examined and put before the American people before the next election in order to avoid endangering the constitutionally guaranteed election process. If the trial(s) run past the election, then so be it. It just can't be totally put off until after the election, risking a repeat or even an escalation of what happened regarding the last election.

Absolutely, especially the Trumpian tactic with so many of his cases, is to delay, delay, delay...

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

This is trumps actual mug shot. He looks so angry

Has a president or former president ever had a mug shot before this?

Trump reminds me of a mob boss who would order other people to do his bidding and commit crimes for him so he wouldn't get his hands dirty.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I think it needs to be examined and put before the American people before the next election in order to avoid endangering the constitutionally guaranteed election process. If the trial(s) run past the election, then so be it. It just can't be totally put off until after the election, risking a repeat or even an escalation of what happened regarding the last election.

So you don't care about Trump's ability to mount a proper defense then. Our judicial system is supposed to protect the rights of the accused over any political reasons. It is not Trumps fault that he was indicted when he was. He should be allowed time to prepare a proper defense.

Why do you think the indictment was not issued sooner?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Even if it is not enough time for Trump to be able to have a proper defense? Why do you think it took so long for this indictment to happen?

We have been over that. One of the reasons is Republican opposition to the process. That slows things down. And this is a very challenging case. They wanted to make sure that everything was in order before they charged him.

Now you keep saying that there is not enough time to formulate a defense. What makes you say that? Defense is much easier than finding evidence and making a case. The work gathering evidence has been done for Trump. Do you think that there is evidence that he did not do what is claimed? Where would that evidence come from? What would be its nature? You don't get to just claim that Trump does not have enough time. You have to justify it.

By the way, his attorneys have to justify such a claim too and they do not seem to be able to do that. I do not think that you will do any better.

 

[Firenze]

I can see t-shirts emblazoned with that image...some will have his prisoner number, and others won't...

He quickly put out a tshirt with the mugshot. It says “Never Surrender” - under a photo of him literally surrendering….

 

[fantome profane]

He quickly put out a tshirt with the mugshot. It says “Never Surrender” - under a photo of him literally surrendering….

And he sold them. The funny thing is that he does not have the rights to that photo. That photo was taken by Fulton County law enforcement, and they hold the copyright. Any money he made from selling merchandice with that photo belongs to Fulton County.