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Try to prove to me your religion.

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
1) The standard English definition of true, any other definition is a means of self decepation.

2) Atheism is not a faith.

3) Truth is objective but you seem to be under the impression it is subjective.

Things that are true/facts are objective. People defined the truth as subjective.

Regardless, if you are asking us to prove our religion is true for you, there is a huge problem. That is assuming that we all have objectivity in our faiths and you're trying to decipher what are facts and what aren't. Religions do not work that way. You will get multiple answers. It's up to you to decide what is objective/true to you. Whether or not you consider it the truth/your worldview is not for us to decide no matter how we describe our reality to you.
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Things that are true/facts are objective. People defined the truth as subjective.

Regardless, if you are asking us to prove our religion is true for you, there is a huge problem. That is assuming that we all have objectivity in our faiths and you're trying to decipher what are facts and what aren't. Religions do not work that way. You will get multiple answers. It's up to you to decide what is objective/true to you. Whether or not you consider it the truth/your worldview is not for us to decide no matter how we describe our reality to you.

Are saying that religions are not factual?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Simply observing that we are a consciousness and that matter is eternal (being a from of energy) Is simply a scientific fact that has nothing to do with religion.

I never used consciousness, and yes, religion is a fact. We should base our beliefs on what IS true not on what we want to believe is true but it is not.

The Buddha taught what is true. He taught facts. His teachings and how we conduct our behaviors of the teachings or Law is a religion for those who practice it. We give reverence, offerings, prayers, chanting, and these actions bring us peace and healthy interaction with others based on the Law. Buddhism does have deities in it, but it is not based on the supernatural as other religions but its based on the workings of the mind and how we live from that. I dont know about consciousness. I am very simple when it comes to belief.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes, but it appears you do not live in it.

In reality saying somethingto the effect of "Bigfoot is real and he can do X, Y, and Z." does not make bigfoot real.
I agree. But reality is real. Correct? If reality had a conscious it would know itself. Correct?
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Hmmm... Interesting that you ask for proof. I feel what's more important than a proof that one religion of thousands is the correct one, however, is finding one that inspires, doesn't confine your ability to learn from the world around you and apply that knowledge, and doesn't conflict with who you are and what you believe. I hope whatever you find gives you peace of mind and is not only a positive influence on you, but in how you interact with the world... Even if you find that you never even needed anything to begin with. =)

I am looking for truth, not comfort any one can comfort themselves with lies.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Please try to prove to me your religion is true.
Nature simply exists. What our interpretations of it are, well that's a work in progress for anyone willing to make it religion. There have been multiple people like myself during various periods of history who have had wildly differing ideas what nature is.
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
John 1:1 Who was God speaking to "in the beginning"?

Actually in the early predecessors of Judaism god was both male and female and the male was speaking to the female to birth something.

The male being the action and the fame being the formless essence, probably based on sexual perceptions of the time.
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
2 Tim 3:16, 17....
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."

"All scripture" was initially the Hebrew scriptures, quoted by Jesus and his apostles, but it came to include the Greek scriptures to make up the complete word of God. The Greek scriptures are also inspired of God and contain the teachings of Jesus Christ, without which we would know nothing about him or his apostles.

No holy book has survived as long and been preserved as accurately as the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls proved that this was true. Despite all attempts to destroy it, it is still here and instructing right hearted people all over the world, just as God intended.



His firstborn son...his Master Worker. (Prov 8:22, 30, 31) The one "through whom" creation came. (Col 1:15, 16)

Incorrect, the dead sea scrolls show that changes where made.

Also there are artifacts from Hinduism that are older.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Are saying that religions are not factual?

If you are asking us to proove our religion to you is true, then it's up to you to decide what is true/fact and what is not.

To me, my religion is true. It's a fact. It's not a belief. Everyone has their own way of viewing their religion: truth, true, fact, belief, faith, whatever.

The point is, you asked us to proove our religion is true. You will get multiple answers because we each view our religion/s differently and compare them to reality (or define them as our reality) differently. If you want to find out what religion is true, it starts with how you define what is true.

In other words, if you are doing an Algebra problem, you can't expect to get the right answer if you don't develop a formula to get the answer/s you may be looking for. If we are just shouting numbers to you and you have no forumula/objective definition, then how are you going to get the answer you are looking for?

What "formula" are you using to decide what is true and what is not based on the answers we give you?
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Nature simply exists. What our interpretations of it are, well that's a work in progress for anyone willing to make it religion. There have been multiple people like myself during various periods of history who have had wildly differing ideas what nature is.

How is this view religious?
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
I never used consciousness, and yes, religion is a fact. We should base our beliefs on what IS true not on what we want to believe is true but it is not.

The Buddha taught what is true. He taught facts. His teachings and how we conduct our behaviors of the teachings or Law is a religion for those who practice it. We give reverence, offerings, prayers, chanting, and these actions bring us peace and healthy interaction with others based on the Law. Buddhism does have deities in it, but it is not based on the supernatural as other religions but its based on the workings of the mind and how we live from that. I dont know about consciousness. I am very simple when it comes to belief.

Buddhism promotes the idea of reincarnation which has no evidence plus Buddhism is not considered to be a religion to me more than a philosophy.
 
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