lukethethird
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Imperialism? What a joke.
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Tucker Carlson, Colonel Douglas Macgregor, The Ukraine War
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Subduction Zone
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Don't get butt hurt because Italy has not been a power since the days of Rome. This has nothing to do with the history of the US.How many fallacies are we Europeans forced to hear from the US Party of War?
Just because we want the war to end today, it doesn't mean we side with Putin.
I don't side with him, I side with my country and with the EU institutions which have always sought to dissuade Russia with non-warlike means like sanctions and diplomacy.
US is the new Imperial Rome, indeed.
The difference is that we have learnt from our mistakes.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Why? What do you call it when a country unjustly tries to take over another one?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
We have too. But your "corrections" appear to be of the WWII sort. Just go along with the closest power, regardless of moral standards.US is the new Imperial Rome, indeed.
The difference is that we have learnt from our mistakes.
lukethethird
unknown member
You are going to have to get busy showing where my source lied and now showing how I support imperialism. Good luck with that.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Been there, done that, bought the tee shirt. Every time you support Russia in this imperialistic war you support Imperialism.
If you are interested in Europeans' stance, just go to Paris, Berlin, Rome and ask around. Ask them whether they want peace immediately, or if they want an endless war in Ukraine.
lukethethird
unknown member
You don't make accusations like that and then say you've done that, show me the evidence. Interesting when you are asked for evidence how you respond.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
You are really confused, then, because you stated quite clearly that EU countries were at peace for 80 years. When was the Treaty of Maastricht? 80 years ago? Just how long to you think the EU has been in existence? You really need to learn some history, because you aren't making any sense at all.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
False dichotomy. I could make my own if we are playing that game. Do you want the Ukraine to win or do you want Russian domination of the world?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You bore me. You couldn't support the claims of your bogus source. I asked you to do that a long time ago.
lukethethird
unknown member
You're a joke a minute.
Enlighten me, then. What wars were fought in Europe after 1945?
France fought against Spain? Or UK fought against Germany?
Some wars I can think of after 1945 were the Vietnam War, fought by Americans, and the Iraqi War, fought by Americans.
The EU’s part in 70 years of peace in Europe | Letters
Letters: Precisely how does the more recent eastward expansion of the EU towards Moscow serve to reduce the tensions that might give rise to a third world war?
I want the war to end today, even if Russia wins.
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
When you don't support your claims properly when you are requested to you ate in no position to demand the same of others.
Like I said, you bore me. Support your claims and then I will do the same for you.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Please stop. Try again.I want the war to end today, even if Russia wins.
I bet you want the war to continue, until Russia loses, right?
Even if it will take twenty years?
lukethethird
unknown member
What are you even talking about?
I just answered your question.
Russia is winning... good. All that matters is that this horrific war is over.
Thank you for the question.
In fairness, the whole reason Europe stayed peaceful was because it was under control of two major factions who were prepared for war, but neither side wanted to be the first to fire the first shot. However, just because there weren't wars in Europe didn't mean that Europeans weren't still involved in war to some degree, some of the same wars fought by Americans.
At this point, I don't think there'd be any reason for any NATO member to fight each other.
Vietnam was a hot war which was part of the larger Cold War, which was presented mainly as an ideological war of "the free world" vs. "the evil empire." It's all water under the bridge now, but it seems America's foreign and military policies were geared towards propping up what was left of the global status quo after WW2 - at least what they could salvage of it. They had to make some concessions to the Soviets, because they were once our allies, and there were instances where not every endeavor was successful, such as in Vietnam. There were times when the US government could handle things without even using US troops, such as in coups we supported in places like Iran and Chile.
The wars were fought along the periphery, without going directly head-to-head with the Soviets in Europe - although that was always on the back-burner as a possibility.