Turns out Ground Zero Mosque protesters are racists too!

[Guitar's Cry]

It doesnt matter what races died that day. Are you suggesting that we should divide up the races/nationality/religion, and decide who had the most deaths? People were killed by radical muslims, so you shouldnt put up a mosque there.

Then Christian churches shouldn't be put up anywhere.

It's two blocks away and is being built in the spirit of education and tolerance. The leader appears to be Sufi, so is radical only in the eyes of fundamentalists and those who see "muslim" and assume "radical." There are many Muslims who live, work, and love NY, and pass by Ground Zero everyday. Ought we to have someone stand guard next to the site and make sure nothing Muslim passes by lest people remember?

We need to move on and work towards tolerance, not revenge.

 

[scooptothehoop10]

imo, if this Mosque was being built by a peaceful, loving, tolerant group - as some say that it is... a loving group of people would not build there. 2 blocks from ground 0? I think it is not two blocks away, but on ground 0, as the previous building was damaged during the attack - that makes it part of the attack site.

very good point. I agree completely. Why not move it to a differant location? and that video made me very sad for that poor man.

 

[MoonWater]

It doesnt matter what races died that day. Are you suggesting that we should divide up the races/nationality/religion, and decide who had the most deaths? People were killed by radical muslims, so you shouldnt put up a mosque there.

So all muslims should be punished for the actions of a few radicals?

It's not even a mosque at all, it's a cultural center with a place set aside for prayer. A mosque is used for prayer ONLY and this building will have many more purposes, therefore it is not a mosque. Also it won't even be visible from the world trade center. But even if it were a mosque that's no reason to prevent them from building it there. To prevent it would be to interfere with their freedom of religion.

 

[scooptothehoop10]

Then Christian churches shouldn't be put up anywhere.

We need to move on and work towards tolerance, not revenge.

contradictions taste good. and revenge? Revenge had nothing to do with it. and you very well know that muslim people walking by it is differant.

 

[MoonWater]

imo, if this Mosque was being built by a peaceful, loving, tolerant group - as some say that it is... a loving group of people would not build there. 2 blocks from ground 0? I think it is not two blocks away, but on ground 0, as the previous building was damaged during the attack - that makes it part of the attack site.

Umm, this CULTURAL CENTER while being built primarily for muslims is going to be a place for all to gather. It could easily be a place where rifts could be healed and understanding could be generated, bringing people closer together. What could be more "peaceful, loving, and tolerant" than that?

Besides, not trying to be rude but, who are you to judge whether or not the group that is building this center is not peaceful loving or tolerant?

The way I see it it's those who protest the center that are not "a loving group of people" as a loving group of people would let bygons be bygons, would recognize that you can't hate and punish all muslims for the actions of a few radicals, and would not try to stand in the way of muslims freely practicing their right to freedom of religion and freedom of assembly.

 

[Smoke]

Besides, not trying to be rude but, who are you to judge whether or not the group that is building this center is not peaceful loving or tolerant?

What difference does that make, anyway? The day religious congregations are required to be peaceful, loving, and tolerant, they're going to have to close a hell of a lot of Christian churches.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

contradictions taste good. and revenge? Revenge had nothing to do with it. and you very well know that muslim people walking by it is differant.

Contradictions do, but with the taste of a good beer in my mouth I must have missed it.

What I am trying to suggest is that the argument for sympathy seems more of a cover for outright anti-Islam sentiments, as seen by the protesting where people "looking Muslim" are being called out. It seems outright vengeful.

Everything I've read and seen about the cultural center and the Imam supporting it suggests tolerance. All the violence, all the hatred, all the things that scream intolerance to me are coming from the protesters.

There are American Muslims, and we need to understand that they were as hurt as any American on 9/11, and continue to feel it in our intolerance towards them.

 

[MoonWater]

okay, this was put up in another thread but it bears repeating. Those of you who oppose or even "dislike" the idea of the center being built in it's current location I ask that you watch this video and then tell me if you still oppose the center and why.


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[scooptothehoop10]

look, It offends some people, and if these people were really all that peaceful, then i doubt they would keep with their plans knowing that it stirs up so much problems. Idea's point is a very good one. Oh and by the way, since you are interested in violations of freedom of religion, look up Rocky Mountain Christian Church Expansion. or something along the lines of it.

 

[MoonWater]

What difference does that make, anyway? The day religious congregations are required to be peaceful, loving, and tolerant, they're going to have to close a hell of a lot of Christian churches.

It doesn't make any difference to me since this group purchased this property legally and have every right to build and practice there.

 

[scooptothehoop10]

What difference does that make, anyway? The day religious congregations are required to be peaceful, loving, and tolerant, they're going to have to close a hell of a lot of Christian churches.

How many Christians do you know personally?

 

[Smoke]

How many Christians do you know personally?

Plenty.

 

[MoonWater]

look, It offends some people, and if these people were really all that peaceful, then i doubt they would keep with their plans knowing that it stirs up so much problems. Idea's point is a very good one. Oh and by the way, since you are interested in violations of freedom of religion, look up Rocky Mountain Christian Church Expansion. or something along the lines of it.

So? The westboro baptist church offends some people. Does that mean it should be torn down or that they shouldn't be allowed to build another church say two blocks away from a graveyard where some dead soldiers are buried?

If they decide to move the location they will be giving in to bullying, intolerance, and hate; and all giving into that ever does is encourage it to continue. It would set a bad precedent that would simply encourage intolerant bigots like these protesters to work to further suppress and oppress muslims.

 

[scooptothehoop10]

Plenty.

Clearly. Based on the fact that in your mind the average Christian is a Republican, gun carrying, loud mouth, anti-semist bigot who enjoys persecuting other religions and being a douche in general. Practice what you preach. Try not stereotyping groups of people.

 

[scooptothehoop10]

So? The westboro baptist church offends some people. Does that mean it should be torn down or that they shouldn't be allowed to build another church say two blocks away from a graveyard where some dead soldiers are buried?

If they decide to move the location they will be giving in to bullying, intolerance, and hate; and all giving into that ever does is encourage it to continue. It would set a bad precedent that would simply encourage intolerant bigots like these protesters to work to further suppress and oppress muslims.

Yup. Everybodies the same. Everyone who just wantss to show some respect to 3000 dead people is actually using it as a cover to be a racist who hates muslims and wishes that they would all die. the majority of the bigots that i have seen on this forum so far are actually bigots towards christians. I never realized how far hate had begun to run against us.

 

[Sunstone]

Clearly. Based on the fact that in your mind the average Christian is a Republican, gun carrying, loud mouth, anti-semist bigot who enjoys persecuting other religions and being a douche in general. Practice what you preach. Try not stereotyping groups of people.

Do you put words in people's mouths, much?

 

[scooptothehoop10]

Just guessing based on what he said. Sorry about that, Smoke.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

look, It offends some people, and if these people were really all that peaceful, then i doubt they would keep with their plans knowing that it stirs up so much problems. Idea's point is a very good one.

The biggest offense seems to be that they are Muslim.

Oh and by the way, since you are interested in violations of freedom of religion, look up Rocky Mountain Christian Church Expansion. or something along the lines of it.

Do you mean this: Boulder County loses appeal over Rocky Mountain Christian Church expansion - Boulder Daily Camera

 

[Smoke]

Clearly. Based on the fact that in your mind the average Christian is a Republican, gun carrying, loud mouth, anti-semist bigot who enjoys persecuting other religions and being a douche in general. Practice what you preach. Try not stereotyping groups of people.

You're not a very good mind-reader. If you'd care to respond to the things I actually say, instead of the things you imagine I'm thinking, let me know.

 

[scooptothehoop10]

indeed i do. I go to that church. Oh and by the way, I do not like the pastor all that much, but They have actually been appealing up the line for quite some time. They reallly do not want it to happen.

And yes, the biggest offense is basically that they are muslim, which is what the attackers were.