Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation

[2ndpillar]

Where do you come up with this stuff? I don't actually ever see or think about those dollars, and I only take them because the alternative is to let the American government keep them.

I tape my Covid stimulus checks on my wall. Eventually the government sent me a letter saying that if I don't cash them quickly, they will be null and void. Well, it is either letting them stay on my wall or undermining the country more than it is already. As for Social security, I simply don't apply for it, although I have been eligible for around 12 years. I have a problem with undermining today's children with debt. You might want to help the U.S. now, for if your wife empties your bank account and divorces you, and takes your home, then you might need the SS checks to survive to the point of being able to provide you with at least 62% of the present value, which is supposed to happen around 2030. Living in a me-to world, you have nothing to rely on but the self-serving subjective conscience of a Progressive wife. Right now, your generalized odds are less than 50%. Don't worry, I am sure your neighbors all love you, and are there for your support. Oh wait, they are looking at the same crash that you are, and the Mexicans will probably subconsciously blame Biden and his Progressive supporters.

 

[2ndpillar]

Your hope is to make me uncomfortable.

I understand. It must be galling for the faithful to see atheists like me going about life without a shred of guilt or self-loathing and not in the slightest bit worried about any form of eternal punishment. I have to admit if I were religious, I'd probably think to myself, how come I've got all this weight on my shoulders while these impious infidels are happy?

Your reading of the "scriptures" is a bit off. As you judge others, so shall you be judged. There is no everlasting hell (lake of fire) for the "many", there is only a "furnace of fire" (Mt 13:30), which is for the "wicked"/"lawless" (Mt 13:24-49), which is what is call Har-Magedon, which is here on earth. For the general folk, they reap what they sow, in a somewhat timely fashion, not to say that many of the "wicked"/"lawless" don't perceive they have got away from justice. The chickens always come home to roost. If you were "happy", why are you here on this forum? Whereas you make me happy by giving me a chance to explain the reality of consequences to you.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

make sure your property is free and clear

That's a goal, but along the way, financing purchases is appropriate. I used credit cards, financed my education, new cars, my office start-up expenses, and my homes up until retirement. These made it possible for me to eventually pay off those loans. Today, we are debt free, and I agree, that's a more secure way to live in uncertain economic times if it's an option.

I tape my Covid stimulus checks on my wall. Eventually the government sent me a letter saying that if I don't cash them quickly, they will be null and void. Well, it is either letting them stay on my wall or undermining the country more than it is already. As for Social security, I simply don't apply for it, although I have been eligible for around 12 years. I have a problem with undermining today's children with debt.

America thanks you.

You might want to help the U.S. now

That's no longer my job. Expatriation was like divorce. My ex-wife is also no longer my responsibility.

if your wife empties your bank account and divorces you, and takes your home, then you might need the SS checks to survive

OK, although the law protects me from that. But even were that the case, OK.

As you judge others, so shall you be judged.

I don't have a problem with that.

There is no everlasting hell (lake of fire)

Probably. Nor heaven, an afterlife, nor a god.

If you were "happy", why are you here on this forum?

This is one of the activities that makes me happy. It's mentally stimulating. I also like bridge and Wordle for that purpose.

Spoiler: today's Wordle

I did well today. Got this one on the second guess. Other possibilities for 5-letter words ending in TER were UTTER, DETER, and ENTER:

There's also this knock-off site (WordPlay: The Wordle Unlimited Practice Game). As you can see, I always start with LATER, since I test two vowels and three common consonants right off the bat. In case you're unfamiliar, the game told me that A and E are in the target word (the answer), but being yellow, it means that they are not in those spots in the word. Also, there is no L, T, or R in the answer. So, I tested SNAKE, which tests the A and E in the 3rd and 5th spots and tests two more common consonants, S and N. The N is in the answer, but not in the 2nd position, and the S and K are not. So, next I tested OCEAN. The green tiles tell us that the A and N are in the correct positions, but not the E, and that there is a C in the word, but not in 2nd position. By deduction, the word must be PECAN, and it was:

 

[firedragon]

Since there is actually no God around

You are making a hard claim here. Can you provide evidence to your claim?

 

[YoursTrue]

No support for it at all. It may have been an attempt to displace Saturnalia.

OK, this is a bit easier than to work on the difference of year of Jesus' birth, which I will do given more time to do so. But here is a little quote from wikipedia about the day of Jesus' birth: (very interesting)
"The common Christian traditional calendar date of the birthdate of Jesus was 25 December, a date first asserted officially by Pope Julius I in 350 AD, although this claim is dubious or otherwise unfounded"
And the article goes into more, very interesting, frankly.

Date of the birth of Jesus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

You are making a hard claim here. Can you provide evidence to your claim?

It's only a hard claim for those who can't produce adequate proof.

It's an easy thing however to dismiss since there is no evidence presented.

 

[firedragon]

It's only a hard claim for those who can't produce adequate proof.

You made a claim. When you do, you need to provide evidence if you are a responsible person.

What you are doing here is a burden of proof fallacy.

 

[2ndpillar]

That's a goal, but along the way, financing purchases is appropriate. I used credit cards, financed my education, new cars, my office start-up expenses, and my homes up until retirement. These made it possible for me to eventually pay off those loans. Today, we are debt free, and I agree, that's a more secure way to live in uncertain economic times if it's an option.

The banks are now buying up the credit card companies, and the credit card companies are glad to sell with the new credit card rules. The average credit card bill for US citizens is over $6000, and the new rules encourages more late payments. The banks will now cut off credit to those with bad credit. Young people are up a creek without a paddle. Two of my houses were owner financed, with a down payment done with cash. I think my mortgage payments were around $250/month. I paid the houses off within 10 years. I originally rented one out for $200 more than my monthly mortgage payments. I rent out a small portion of the other for $200 over my original mortgage payment. Now I rent the first one for almost $1000 over my original monthly mortgage payments. 30 years later, those houses are tax assessed at around $200,000. Today, with a 10% cash down, 30 year loan, and a 10% interest rate, the mortgage cost would be $2000 per month with $20,000 down payment. What young person can afford those prices, even though they are around 50% of the national average. AI is taking over most of the jobs of recent graduates, as well as jobs of McDonalds and Wendy restaurants. The young and naive took $100,000 loans for college degrees which are mostly not worth the paper they are printed on. The Progressive students will have to be like the Chinese women in large Chinese cities, having to sell the sex that they now freely give out. Or they can be a me-to groupie, and claim they had sex, and shake down some rich guy.

 

[2ndpillar]

OK, although the law protects me from that. But even were that the case, OK.

In a me-too society, there is no protection for a male. You are assumed to be the bad guy.

 

[2ndpillar]

Probably. Nor heaven, an afterlife, nor a god.

Heaven (kingdom of heaven) or hell (walking dead & or the grave) is on the earth. No one escapes the grave, and very few will enter into the kingdom of heaven on earth. As for gods, you have chosen to be your own god, and as for which false prophet you follow, I don't know your school history, but I would assume a large dose of Marx, although there are probably a slew of humanist, of whom I know very little.

 

[2ndpillar]

This is one of the activities that makes me happy. It's mentally stimulating. I also like bridge and Wordle for that purpose.

So, you are saying you get your news from the New York Times. Well, that makes sense.

 

[YoursTrue]

It was likely patterned after other gods who died for three days and then were resurrected in imitation of the dying sun during winter solstice sitting still for three days before reversing direction and heading north again. It is at this time that sunrises are as southeastern as possible, and daylight is shortest in the northern hemisphere.

List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days - Education - Nigeria

That list says that Jesus was a Roman God. How do you figure that?

 

[YoursTrue]

My worldview is positive and constructive. Humanism starts at the other end, with the human potential for nobility and excellence, and seeks ways to promote and develop that through education and social and economic opportunity.

I remember learning about Machiavelli when I was in school. What a disgusting representation of someone who was interested in economic gain. And so it goes today...what you call "economic opportunity" is destroying the world. But my view, thankfully, is that God will settle all matters, including that of saving the earth before it's totally ruined by those seeking "economic opportunity."
At the time, I did not understand anything about God or morals, and just figured it was a fact of history. Sad, though, that "humanity" has lived this very idea, called 'greed', to this day. I do not believe it will last, because -- God is going to settle matters.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That list says that Jesus was a Roman God. How do you figure that?

Perhaps because Judea was part of the Roman Empire at the time and the religion had its world wide start in Rome. Yes, it originally began in Israel, but that could easily have been a small local religion. It's export to Rome was what led to its massive growth and eventual world domination.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The banks are now buying up the credit card companies, and the credit card companies are glad to sell with the new credit card rules. The average credit card bill for US citizens is over $6000, and the new rules encourages more late payments.

I wouldn't know. Why did you want to tell me that? It's irrelevant to me.

In a me-too society, there is no protection for a male. You are assumed to be the bad guy.

That's a shame, but please remember: I don't live in your society.

As for gods, you have chosen to be your own god

OK, if that's how you word having and needing no god. I guess I'm also my own babysitter by your reckoning. And landlord.

as for which false prophet you follow, I don't know your school history

I don't follow anybody. As you've noted, I'm autonomous.

I would assume a large dose of Marx

You'd be wrong. I've never read Marx and have no use for nor interest nor trust in Communism. I'm a social democrat and capitalist. I lived life my way and made my nest egg in that setting, which allowed me to retire young and comfortably to a pleasant place. Why would I support Communism?

But I'm not surprised that you think otherwise. That's what you've been told about liberals, and it seems that you have imbibed it uncritically.

You know who loves Communists? The Republicans. They've cozied up to Putin, a former KBG operative and now a Russian dictator and enemy of the United Staes, NATO, and democracy who is trying to restore the Soviet Union to its former "greatness."

So, you are saying you get your news from the New York Times.

No, I only get Wordle from that source, and I never look at their paper or articles, which are behind a paywall. Nor do I trust that paper:
This is just embarrassing for the New York Times

If you heard the White House Correspondent's Dinner, you heard host Colin Jost refer to the NYT as Wordle: “Wordle is here tonight. Sorry, sorry I meant the New York Times. I forgot they do stuff in addition to puzzles. I have to say it’s not a great sign when the only thing keeping a print media company alive are games people play on their phones.”

That list says that Jesus was a Roman God. How do you figure that?

Probably because of where Christianity first appeared in the world.

what you call "economic opportunity" is destroying the world.

Disagree. You might be referring to those that want to despoil the earth for profit and accumulate all wealth for themselves. I'm referring to equal pay for equal work, a fair tax structure, low-income housing, unions, minimum wages, equal access to education and jobs, and the like.

 

[YoursTrue]

Perhaps because Judea was part of the Roman Empire at the time and the religion had its world wide start in Rome. Yes, it originally began in Israel, but that could easily have been a small local religion. It's export to Rome was what led to its massive growth and eventual world domination.

("Perhaps"...)
The Romans via the Jews (or Jews via the Romans) put him to death. Where do you get the idea that following Jesus Christ had its start in Rome? It did not. In total essence, the statement that Jesus was a "Roman God" is utterly and absolutely off kilter. You know it and I know it. And if you don't agree, there's somethin' not quite right. Because you then become the apologist. So don't complain about what you consider as apologists. I didn't even read about the others yet, like Zarathustra. "Thus Sprach Zarathustra" is something I recall from my earlier atheist days while I was still 'looking.' Searching--

 

[YoursTrue]

@Subduction Zone Well, then, interestingly enough, I couldn't find anything verifying that Zarathustra was resurrected. Maybe I missed it...(lol)...

 

[YoursTrue]

Then you have nothing. You need to find proper historical sources. Not lying apologists.

You mean like what one might call a "proper historical source" calling Jesus a "Roman God"? me, oh my! (lol)

 

[YoursTrue]

It was likely patterned after other gods who died for three days and then were resurrected in imitation of the dying sun during winter solstice sitting still for three days before reversing direction and heading north again. It is at this time that sunrises are as southeastern as possible, and daylight is shortest in the northern hemisphere.

List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days - Education - Nigeria

So far nothing to show that Zarathustra OR Osiris was resurrected after 3 days. That's about it. So if you want to believe that list, you go right ahead.

 

[YoursTrue]

I wouldn't know. Why did you want to tell me that? It's irrelevant to me.

That's a shame, but please remember: I don't live in your society.

OK, if that's how you word having and needing no god. I guess I'm also my own babysitter by your reckoning. And landlord.

I don't follow anybody. As you've noted, I'm autonomous.

I am glad I am not "autonomous." Frankly, that must be horrible. But! that's me and obviously not everyone. That's almost like -- maybe -- the doctrine I hear sometimes about being a "Sovereign Citizen."