sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It would bring humanity one step closer to wholeness.
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Universal Reconciliation religion.
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One step? How far does the rape of one child get us?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
That isn't what I meant. Remember the story of the good shepherd? How he leaves the 99 and goes off in search of the one lost sheep? The recovery of Hitler brings humanity one step closer to a whole "flock." Rape has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I could tell you what I believe it means, but you obviousl don't agree. To me, the Holy Ghost is the member of the Godhead who testifies of the truth of all things. It is only by the Holy Ghost confirming a spiritual truth to us that we can say that we "know" it to be true. Otherwise, we're just accepting it on faith. So, to me, blasphemy againt the Holy Ghost involves denying something that the Holy Ghost has given a person absolute proof of. For example, I think of Christ's Transfiguration and what Peter, James and John witnessed at that time. They were given absolute proof of His divinity. If they had later denied that this had ever happened, they would have been guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
Getting mad or being heartbroken and "cursing God" for allowing misfortune in your life is not even in the same ballpark as "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost." Since Christ himself asked His Father to forgive His murderers, I am assuming that murder can, in fact, be forgiven.
Do you not know sympathy?
Murder can be forgive. Theft, rape, torture, deprivation, racial crime, breaking up families, and murder can not. If someone doing those things and teaching others to do those things can be found guilty only by first knowing the Holy Ghost and then denying him what good is being good?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I think you've got a typo in one of these sentences because they appear to be contradicting each other. (First you said murder could be forgiven; then you said it couldn't be.) Why don't you fix your post and then I'll respond to it when I know for sure what you mean.
I have learned the tree by it's fruit. We were talking about Hitler. He and his pack did ALL those things 5,000,000 times. OK?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Of course. Please tell me what that has to do with the subject at hand?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I'm sorry, savagewind, I'm trying to understand you but your posts just don't make a lot of sense to me. I'm just saying that I believe in the power of repentence.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"Teacher, how many times ought we to forgive? As many as 7 times?"
"No. you ought to forgive 70 x 7 times."
"Oh. OK."
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Apparently 490 times is the cutoff.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Yeah, but that's per offense, not in the aggregate.:super:
The question goes unanswered. If anyone can be forgiven for anything except that,what good is being good?
If the only reason you are being good is to be forgiven, what merit is it to be good?
Right. If being good and being bad is the same to God, why not be bad? It is more fun, no?
Are you sure it's more fun? Doesn't seem so to me. Besides which, is fun your ultimate value?
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Merit seems to be warned about in the NT.
It is more fun. Maybe you have not been both? I have. Bad is much better imo
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Is it?
"Being good" is far, far more altruistic than you're giving it credit for here. Being good is its own reward, and not some kind of "backstage pass" to heaven. To take that stance assumes that heaven is some kind of "reward" for our good deeds which, clearly (according to the bible), it is not.
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