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Unpacking Donald Trump's controversial Tweet

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LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
I've heard this before. Look I understand but Trump is not going to get impeached. But if someone is wrong I expect people to speak out against him being wrong not cower to the fear of pence being elected.
Oh yes, I've stated that he's wrong in this thread, and that his statement was one of the most unamerican things I've heard.

The fact that there were crowds chanting "Send her back" is reprehensible.

As for the quip, "If you don't like it, you can just leave." it makes me wish that the west coast would just secede from the United States.
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
It's not an oppression of citizens, but enforcing the Constitution.

It can't without a revolution or rebellion. Trump can be removed from office by police force of the WH. For Trump to actually remain in power would require the SS, WH police and FBI to side with him. Trump saying "No" is not criteria for military action.

Think of it like detainment by police. Objections can and are ignored. Just like anyone else screaming "Do you know who I am?!" while being arrested. Beside a lot of cops hate government officials trying to bypass the law due to their position.

And I would say a president who refuses to step down upon the Constitutionally defined moment is attempting to start a revolution that must be put down. In other words, stepping up to avert a legit Constitutional crisis.

Refusal does not equate a rebellion nor revolt.

But, information on such a thing has been in short supply when I have attempted to look.

Posse Comitatus Act
18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
https://usconstitution.net/xconst_A4Sec4.html
https://usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
https://policy.defense.gov/portals/11/documents/hdasa/references/insurrection_act.pdf
https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/d5525_5.pdf
10 U.S. Code § 382 - Execution and administration of programs and activities
Defense Support of Civil Authorities: Overview

It's not the first time people have worried, and it probably won't be the last, but I haven't been able to find info about this "what if."

It is probably your search keywords that is the issue. Try "US law military domestic"

However, there are other agents and organizations sworn to uphold the Constitution, and if not the military then it seems likely there is someone who would "clear the way" for the president elect as the former president is no longer the president.

Yup as per the above. There would need to be major armed resistance for the US military to become involved. More so in current context Pence would become POTUS. If that failed Pelosi. Keep in mind the chain of command.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
This stuff happens gradually, in small steps, over time so that before you know it, it's happening all around you and it's too far gone to stop it.

This is just paranoia Half the time people like you think Trump is a grade A moron yet you think he can overthrow the US government and existing laws without issue.

You should read Elie Wiesel's "Night" for some insight.

Not applicable here.

Are you not aware of the US's history in South American countries?

More or less. Not every detail mind you

I'm not saying they're fully responsible, but there is some blame to go around.

Blame isn't being spread around when one claimed it is all the US' fault.

The entire developed world (save for the US) has universal healthcare.

With no military worth a damn. Think about it.

Many countries pay for college (most of Europe does, I believe). I don't know what "guaranteed" jobs refers to. Those things don't destroy countries - they help make them better.

With no military worth a damn. Think about it.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/0...on-introduced-by-rep-alexandra-ocasio-cortez/

2. to create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States;

8. guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States;

15. providing all people of the United States with— (iii) economic security;

All of these must ignore personal choice like someone dropping out of high-school.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
If you're that dense that you cannot get something blatantly clear I'm sorry for you.

Wrong again. You used clarification to counter a previous point I made. I pointed out Trump made a clarification as well. You accept one but reject the other. Double-standard.

More so you are ignoring my points about the comment was made to manipulate the media and Dems. Pelsoi was trying to marginalize the Squad. Now she has to defend them. More so the squad is in the media as the face of the Dem party. Between their socialism and outright blunders he using optics to undermine Dems.

Trapper even acknowledge this. Speak of dense when you can look at the larger picture. Right now you are being goaded and do not even see it.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Oh yes, I've stated that he's wrong in this thread, and that his statement was one of the most unamerican things I've heard.

The fact that there were crowds chanting "Send her back" is reprehensible.

As for the quip, "If you don't like it, you can just leave." it makes me wish that the west coast would just secede from the United States.

And "come back" Omission noted.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
You used clarification to counter a previous point I made.

Maybe I'm not following you.

1) I posted Trump's tweet in the beginning

2) You're arguing for clarification

3) I refer you to the beginning.

4) You said Trump clarified his position.

5) My response to that is how do you clarify telling duly elected congresswomen to go back to where they came from if they are citizens of the United States.

I swear Trump supporters are some of the most dumbest people I've met.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Maybe I'm not following you.

1) I posted Trump's tweet in the beginning

Yes. And I told you it was about Omar and used to manipulate media and Dems.

2) You're arguing for clarification

No I was pointing out the target

3) I refer you to the beginning.

Which is ignoring the clafication made by Trump. A point you use with AOC. Your logic is subjective.

4) You said Trump clarified his position.

Yes as a point to establish your double-standard

[quote[5) My response to that is how do you clarify telling duly elected congresswomen to go back to where they came from if they are citizens of the United States. [/quote]

No he said they can leave and come back. Ergo personal choice. Also he said "come back"

I swear Trump supporters are some of the most dumbest people I've met.

Hilarious. You still do not understand why Trump did what he did. Again even Jack Trapper from CNN can figure this out. Try again.

Your cult like adherence to identity politics has blinded you to obvious manipulation. You are like the ox that doesn't under what a goad is.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Maybe I'm not following you.

1) I posted Trump's tweet in the beginning

2) You're arguing for clarification

3) I refer you to the beginning.

4) You said Trump clarified his position.

5) My response to that is how do you clarify telling duly elected congresswomen to go back to where they came from if they are citizens of the United States.

I swear Trump supporters are some of the most dumbest people I've met.
Dumb is frustrating, but forgivable. What most Trump supporters are is willfully obtuse, which, IMHO, is far worse than honestly dumb.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
And I told you it was about Omar and used to manipulate media and Dems.

But Trump said "congresswomen" women is plural. The media has already highlighted that he was referring to the congresswomen of color. Again you avoiding that reality is comical. Trump was already called out about this.

No I was pointing out the target

No you clearly said:

Yet you do not post the clarification

Hence, you're asking for clarification

Which is ignoring the clafication made by Trump. A point you use with AOC. Your logic is subjective.

Wait, so i'm supposed to use the double down response by Trump and be okay with it? The fact of the matter is Trump shouldn't have said it in the beginning. To make matters worse, his stupid base even repeated what he said in his tweet. How do you double down on something you said but your base repeats it in a chant? Notice in the video he said he tried to stop them and he said he was speaking quickly. Apparently his lips are so fast they appeared to not have moved.


No he said they can leave and come back. Ergo personal choice. Also he said "come back"

Why would you tell congresswomen 3 of the four which are U.S. citizens to go back to where they come from? Wait, go where? You can spin it the way you want to you're just making yourself look more foolish. Times like this I wish I was donald Trump so I can have crash dummies that believe every word I say.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
But Trump said "congresswomen" women is plural.

So? He was talking about Omar.

The media has already highlighted that he was referring to the congresswomen of color. Again you avoiding that reality is comical. Trump was already called out about this.

You are ignoring recent evaluation from the political side. You are still ignoring it.



No you clearly said:Hence, you're asking for clarification

No. I made a point about AOC and Omar. You posted their clarifications as counter to my point. I pointed out clarification by Trump. By your logic you must accept the clairfication. You holding Trump to a specific timestamp while not holding Omar nor AOC to that same timestamp. That is your double standard.



Wait, so i'm supposed to use the double down response by Trump and be okay with it?

I am point out your double-standard.

The fact of the matter is Trump shouldn't have said it in the beginning.

Do you say the same for Omar and AOC?

To make matters worse, his stupid base even repeated what he said in his tweet.

You mean "send her back"?

How do you double down on something you said but your base repeats it in a chant?

Trump never said what the chant said. Your own source shows this. Perhaps read it again.

Notice in the video he said he tried to stop them and he said he was speaking quickly. Apparently his lips are so fast they appeared to not have moved.

This is still part of political manipulation. More so you are still rejecting clarification when it suits you.


Why would you tell congresswomen 3 of the four which are U.S. citizens to go back to where they come from? Wait, go where?

He is attacking their socialism. He is getting the Dems to defend members they were trying to isolate as the Squads ideas are horrible. Why do you think Pelosi was disparaging the Squad before this? Glass of water and such. Now the Dems have to defend the Squad reversing course and making them the face of the party in media. More exposure means more scrutiny of their silly ideas. This could force people to question Dem leadership. The same type of scrutiny GOP leadership face in the run up to 2016. GOP tried to marginalize Trump. Now that he is POTUS they have to consider what it will cost them to try to go against Trump.

You can spin it the way you want to you're just making yourself look more foolish. Times like this I wish I was donald Trump so I can have crash dummies that believe every word I say.

Even CNN acknowledge the political manipulation 3 days ago. You are still being goaded.

Do note there is not one single thread I have seen about Trump pretty much shutting down all asylum claims via 3rd country policy. If any claimant passes through a 3rd country any claim made in the US is automatically rejected. A claimant has to be from Mexico or Canada, or take a direct flight from the nation they are fleeing to the US. Barely any flights from the Old World do this. A holdover in London is basis for rejecting a claim outright. The people passing through Mexico? Rejected outright.
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
So? He was talking about Omar.

But he wasn't in his tweet....What are you not getting? You can go back to my first post.

You are ignoring recent evaluation from the political side.

Ignoring what? He has been called out by several reporters on his comment.

I am point out your double-standard.

Huh?

Do you say the same for Omar and AOC?

Criticizing the president does not warrant a racist response. In fact criticizing the country and its policies are very much American so I'm not sure why you even brought those two up.

You mean "send her back"?

Obviously.

Trump never said what the chant said. Your own source shows this.

Trump literally said they need to go back where they come from.....His base repeated this notion.

This is still part of political manipulation. More so you are still rejecting clarification when it suits you.

Jesus, you're special.

He is attacking their socialism.

So socialism means telling these American citizens to go back where they come from? Jesus, again, you're special.

Like I don't even want to continue this conversation you have your head so far up trumps booty hole it's just amazing that you'll go these lengths to defend racism. I wonder what you think about black people behind closed doors when someone pisses you off. Clearly you're willing to defend a racist. If you are complicit with racism then you must practice it in your own personal life.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It is probably your search keywords that is the issue. Try "US law military domestic"
I suspect it may be more that it hasn't been a "seriously considered thing" that much outside of a few select groups that actually matter (and thus not plastering stuff all over the internet because they have more important things to do) and handfuls of nutters who think a former president can just say "tough ****" and secure another term.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Yes. And I told you it was about Omar and used to manipulate media and Dems.
While the statement was very likely said to manipulate the media and Dems (i would argue his base as well), it was still unequivocally about all of the congresswomen and not "just Omar."

You are welcome to cling to your sinking "just omar" life raft all you like. No one is buying it.
 
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