Unpacking Donald Trump's controversial Tweet

[Shad]

"If they don't like it here, they can just leave."

I was talking about the tweet. Look again.

 

[Shad]

But he wasn't in his tweet....What are you not getting? You can go back to my first post.

I am talking about who he was thinking of when he made that statement

Ignoring what? He has been called out by several reporters on his comment.

That what he said was for political gain by taking control of the narrative from Pelosi. Again Pelosi was trying to marginalize the Squad. Now she has to defend them.

Huh?

Your use of clarification to counter my point about AOC yet you rejecting clarification when made by Trump. If clarification is the standard you are using then you must by your own logic accept Trump's. You do not. Ergo double-standard

Criticizing the president does not warrant a racist response. In fact criticizing the country and its policies are very much American so I'm not sure why you even brought those two up.

It was political not racist.

Obviously.

Trump didn't say that.

Trump literally said they need to go back where they come from.....His base repeated this notion.

He said "can go back" followed by "come back here and tell us how it is done"

Jesus, you're special.

Even CNN acknowledged this. You are out of your depth due to identity politics.

So socialism means telling these American citizens to go back where they come from? Jesus, again, you're special.

Yup as socialism is seen as un-American and violated the Constitution as per 4th and 5th ammendments.

Like I don't even want to continue this conversation you have your head so far up trumps booty hole it's just amazing that you'll go these lengths to defend racism. I wonder what you think about black people behind closed doors when someone pisses you off. Clearly you're willing to defend a racist. If you are complicit with racism then you must practice it in your own personal life.

You just refuse to see anything outside identity politics. Again even CNN is pointing out it was political manipulation and that Trump won that round.

Jake Tapper on Twitter

Now you are just smearing because I disagree with you. Disagreeing with you isn't racist. You are an idiot now lashing out at anyone that disagrees with you. More so your logic is flawed as I disagree with it being racist thus your point is a non-sequitur. Your smear is just the scripted response of identity politics in which any disagreement must be racist.. Try again

 

[Shad]

If you're that dense that you cannot get something blatantly clear I'm sorry for you.

Again it was about your double-standard. Try reading.

 

[crossfire]

I was talking about the tweet. Look again.

I was talking about the people who chanted, "Send her back." Look again.

Oh yes, I've stated that he's wrong in this thread, and that his statement was one of the most unamerican things I've heard.

The fact that there were crowds chanting "Send her back" is reprehensible.

As for the quip, "If you don't like it, you can just leave." it makes me wish that the west coast would just secede from the United States.

 

[Shad]

I was talking about the people who chanted, "Send her back." Look again.

Try reading again. What did I say? And "come back" I pointed out the omission of the rest of that part as per. The omission frames the comment thus is a dishonest framing.

"As for the quip, "If you don't like it, you can just leave." it makes me wish that the west coast would just secede from the United States."

You included two different point. One was the chant, one from the tweet. You confused my point with the the chant not the tweet. Your problem. Look up "context" then apply it while you read. Read your own comment.

The West coast needs the rest of the US. The US does not need the West Coast.

 

[Shad]

While the statement was very likely said to manipulate the media and Dems (i would argue his base as well), it was still unequivocally about all of the congresswomen and not "just Omar."

You are welcome to cling to your sinking "just omar" life raft all you like. No one is buying it.

I do not need anyone to buy it. I am calling it like I see it. Just like I called out your own double-standard. Yawn.

 

[Curious George]

I do not need anyone to buy it. I am calling it like I see it. Just like I called out your own double-standard. Yawn.

No double standards. Just strawmen and silly denials. I don't mind chasing geese but let's not play "pretend."

 

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Try reading again. What did I say? And "come back" I pointed out the omission of the rest of that part as per. The omission frames the comment thus is a dishonest framing.

"As for the quip, "If you don't like it, you can just leave." it makes me wish that the west coast would just secede from the United States."

You included two different point. One was the chant, one from the tweet. You confused my point with the the chant not the tweet. Your problem. Look up "context" then apply it while you read. Read your own comment.

The West coast needs the rest of the US. The US does not need the West Coast.

First of all, the post you are talking about wasn't even addressed to you, it was addressed to Epic Beard Man's not being surprised by the complacency of some of the people in this thread. It was my expression of feelings towards my overall situation at hand, and I explained the context in my post.

If anyone is guilty of dishonest reframing, it is you. Please don't tell me how to feel. Thank you.

 

[Enoch07]

You are so grasping at straws. To say nothing of glossing over the fact that, as clearly stated in the OP, there were four congresswomen addressed by Trump's comments and it turns out that the other three are very much US citizens.

Which proves Shads point of it's not racist. Its nationalist without a doubt.

That's beside the fact that when someone tells someone "if you don't like it leave" it's not about coercing that person to leave. It's about pointing out that person hypocrisy because they complain about the U.S. yet they wouldn't dare go live in another country. Because other countries suck and they know it. Anyone that thinks I'm wrong feel free to prove it and go live in Somalia then come back and tell which country is better.

 

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Which proves Shads point of it's not racist. Its nationalist without a doubt.

That's beside the fact that when someone tells someone "if you don't like it leave" it's not about coercing that person to leave. It's about pointing out that person hypocrisy because they complain about the U.S. yet they wouldn't dare go live in another country. Because other countries suck and they know it. Anyone that thinks I'm wrong feel free to prove it and go live in Somalia then come back and tell which country is better.

Actually, this whole situation resembles a narcissist manipulative technique of "project and deflect," which is often employed when some fault is exposed or criticism of a narcisist is made, (which must be wrong, because the narcissist is better than everyone else,) where the one who exposed the fault or made the criticism is made the target of the narcissist's aggression.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

 

[crossfire]

Actually, this whole situation resembles a narcissist manipulative technique of "project and deflect," which is often employed when some fault is exposed or criticism of a narcisist is made, (which must be wrong, because the narcissist is better than everyone else,) where the one who exposed the fault or made the criticism is made the target of the narcissist's aggression.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

It's a redux of the outrage and aggression directed at those who kneel (a sign of respect) for the national anthem in order to draw attention to violence by authorities towards citizens.

Again, your mileage may vary.

 

[Enoch07]

Actually, this whole situation resembles a narcissist manipulative technique of "project and deflect," which is often employed when some fault is exposed or criticism of a narcisist is made, (which must be wrong, because the narcissist is better than everyone else,) where the one who exposed the fault or made the criticism is made the target of the narcissist's aggression.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

Or it could be Ilhan Omar is a hate fueled anti-american anti-semite. That got called out on her BS. Then she played the race card because God forbid anyone criticize a person of color, they must automatically be racist.

 

[Stevicus]

Which proves Shads point of it's not racist. Its nationalist without a doubt.

That's beside the fact that when someone tells someone "if you don't like it leave" it's not about coercing that person to leave. It's about pointing out that person hypocrisy because they complain about the U.S. yet they wouldn't dare go live in another country. Because other countries suck and they know it. Anyone that thinks I'm wrong feel free to prove it and go live in Somalia then come back and tell which country is better.

I can see both sides of the argument here. However, I think the "love it or leave it" argument is a bit of a dead end.

If someone criticizes the government or the country because they genuinely care about the country and want to make the country better, then I don't see how that should be a problem. It's not that they hate the country, but they just want to make their country great (again). It may be more a matter of "tough love" than actual hatred.

But to play the "love it or leave it" card implies that the person might have divided loyalties - or that they might hate America outright and be loyal to a completely different country. That's a bit more nebulous and hard to prove.

 

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Or it could be Ilhan Omar is a hate fueled anti-american anti-semite. That got called out on her BS. Then she played the race card because God forbid anyone criticize a person of color, they must automatically be racist.

The congresswomen specifically were attacked, not their arguments.

 

[Enoch07]

It's not that they hate the country, but they just want to make their country great (again). It may be more a matter of "tough love" than actual hatred.

Criticizing is one thing, tough love is another, but these women are ugly nasty and rude. Which is why all their approval ratings are extremely low. Ilhan Omar is at 9% favorability, this was before Trump criticized her.

The congresswomen specifically were attacked, not their arguments.

He criticized them for anti-american, anti-semitic, arguments of hate. Unless you would like to point out where he criticised them for being "brown"?

 

[crossfire]

Criticizing is one thing, tough love is another, but these women are ugly nasty and rude. Which is why all their approval ratings are extremely low. Ilhan Omar is at 9% favorability, this was before Trump criticized her.



He criticized them for anti-american, anti-semitic, arguments of hate. Unless you would like to point out where he criticised them for being "brown"?

He didn't list any specific examples of any of their arguments. I didn't specify race. He did, however, specify that they were women. As for the accusation of antisemitism: disagreeing with Israel's politics does not make you a Jew-hating antisemite any more than disagreeing with US political policy makes you unamerican.

That leaves nasty and rude? Is that all you've got? More personal attacks?

 

[Enoch07]

He didn't list any specific examples of any of their arguments. I didn't specify race. He did, however, specify that they were women. As for the accusation of antisemitism: disagreeing with Israel's politics does not make you a Jew-hating antisemite any more than disagreeing with US political policy makes you unamerican.

That leaves nasty and rude? Is that all you've got? More personal attacks?

This is not being critical of Israel policies.

That is racism which is why she deleted it.


Rashida Tlaib's alliances lay with her Palestinian ancestry instead of her American allies in Israel. Not very American to boycott your own ally based on your families country of origin.
Rashida Tlaib calls for right to boycott 'racist policies' of Israel

Not personal attacks just relaying facts that you ignore.

 

[crossfire]

This is not being critical of Israel policies.
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That is racism which is why she deleted it.


Rashida Tlaib's alliances lay with her Palestinian ancestry instead of her American allies in Israel. Not very American to boycott your own ally based on your families country of origin.
Rashida Tlaib calls for right to boycott 'racist policies' of Israel

Not personal attacks just relaying facts that you ignore.

This does not constitute antisemitism. I'm not a "let's give Israel a general stamp of approval" person either, and this has nothing to do with my family's origins. (Does this make me antisemitic? Does this make me unamerican?)

 

[Enoch07]

This does not constitute antisemitism. I'm not a "let's give Israel a general stamp of approval" person either, and this has nothing to do with my family's origins. (Does this make me antisemitic? Does this make me unamerican?)

Yes, Israel is our ally. Palestine is not even a recognized state. Palestine is allied with Iran who funds terrorist groups.

International recognition of the State of Palestine - Wikipedia

"Palestine is not recognized as a state by Israel, the United States, Switzerland, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, and most of the European Union, among others."

So yes, If someone doesn't support America's alliance with Israel and supports Palestine instead, who is allied with an enemy that funds racist terrorist groups.

They are a racist, unamerican, and a terrorist supporter themselves. The Squad and many in the Democratic party are guilty of this. It's time we look into treason.

 

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Yes, Israel is our ally. Palestine is not even a recognized state. Palestine is allied with Iran who funds terrorist groups.

International recognition of the State of Palestine - Wikipedia

"Palestine is not recognized as a state by Israel, the United States, Switzerland, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, and most of the European Union, among others."

So yes, If someone doesn't support America's alliance with Israel and supports Palestine instead, who is allied with an enemy that funds racist terrorist groups.

They are a racist, unamerican, and a terrorist supporter themselves. The Squad and many in the Democratic party are guilty of this. It's time we look into treason.

Really? If you feel that not supporting everything that Israel does is tandamont to treason, then I would have to agree with Ilhan's tweet. You are an example of someone who is so far under some sort of spell (not necessarily from Israel, though) that it is enough to make you call for treason if an American does not pledge total support to a foreign state (Israel.) I won't say that Israel is the source of this mesmerism, though, as Israel does not even demand such loyalty from its own citizens!