UPenn transgender swimmer continues dominant season with more record-breaking wins

[Twilight Hue]

We don't see a trans person going into male wrestling, weightlifting, football, etc.
All we see is a trans person going into female sports...I wonder why

That's exactly what I want to see. A trans male beating to the top game and winning the gold.

I've seen no evidence of that ever happening.

It's just female, and there is no doubt as to why.

 

[Kooky]

They are your points and your are the one that has problems with these words... "we, us, him, her, them".

No, I do not. Please re-read my posts in this thread.

 

[Kooky]

It's just female, and there is no doubt as to why.

They want to continue competing in the sport they trained in?

 

[Kooky]

We don't see a trans person going into male wrestling, weightlifting, football, etc.
All we see is a trans person going into female sports...I wonder why

Maybe you should cure that lack of information with research.
Have you considered that option already?

 

[We Never Know]

Maybe you should cure that lack of information with research.
Have you considered that option already?

Show me where any trans person went into male sports and dominated then we will talk.

 

[Lain]

Show me where any trans person went into male sports and dominated then we will talk.

What would you want to talk about concerning it if such was the case?

 

[We Never Know]

What would you want to talk about concerning it if such was the case?

Show me trans people going into male sports that dominate and we will see. Until then there is no point in discussing it.

 

[Lain]

Show me trans people going into male sports that dominate and we will see. Until then there is no point in discussing it.

Is there a reason why such a thing interests you? I do not see what can't be discussed currently. But perhaps you don't either.

 

[We Never Know]

No, I do not. Please re-read my posts in this thread.

Evidently you do. You rode up on me for my use of the word "we".

 

[We Never Know]

Is there a reason why such a thing interests you? I do not see what can't be discussed currently. But perhaps you don't either.

Its this simple. If trans people don't have an advantage by going into female sports and dominating, then trans people should be able to go into male sports and dominate just the same.

 

[Kooky]

Evidently you do. You rode up on me for my use of the word "we".

I made a statement of personal preference.
If you felt attacked by that, then I apologize. That was not my intention at all.

 

[Kooky]

Show me trans people going into male sports that dominate and we will see. Until then there is no point in discussing it.

Cool, see ya.

 

[Aštra’el]

Its this simple. If trans people don't have an advantage by going into female sports and dominating, then trans people should be able to go into male sports and dominate just the same.

Show me trans people going into male sports that dominate and we will see. Until then there is no point in discussing it.

That's exactly what I want to see. A trans male beating to the top game and winning the gold.

I've seen no evidence of that ever happening.

It's just female, and there is no doubt as to why.

Trans men do not dominate in men’s sports because their female biology does not allow it. The gender they identify as is male, and that is fine- if you are respectful towards me then I may call you whatever you want to be called, within reason. But their sex is female, and those of the female sex simply can not ever compete at the highest level in men’s sports that involve exceptional strength/ speed/ stamina/ genetics/ etc. It is just the reality of things.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Trans men do not dominate in men’s sports because their female biology does not allow it. The gender they identify as is male, and that is fine- if you are respectful towards me then I may call you whatever you want to be called, within reason. But their sex is female, and those of the female sex simply can not ever compete at the highest level in men’s sports that involve exceptional strength/ speed/ stamina/ genetics/ etc. It is just the reality of things.

Honestly, it depends on a number of factors. Testosterone does make a huge difference and that's really what we're quibbling about - the effects of androgens on the body, whether you're going towards male or female in your transition. A trans man should reasonably expect to be able to build muscle as well as a cis man if he has enough testosterone in his system. Stamina potential should be about the same, too. Even my overweight, out of shape *** can walk for miles at a time without a break. Speed, too, I suppose.

Hormonal transition sends you through a second puberty as much as possible, but it won't change your genes or bone structure, no, so bone structure would continue to be an issue if they never had hormone blockers to stop their original puberty. I see no reason why a trans man could not be an accomplished boxer or weightlifter (or similar sport) in his weight class against other men, for instance. I would need more information for other sports. These things are very individual. There's trans men who are tiny and genetics basically screwed them. Then there's trans men who are over 6 feet tall. I've met both sorts and many in-between. It just depends.

It's not a black or white thing.

 

[Kooky]

We don't see a trans person going into male wrestling, weightlifting, football, etc.
All we see is a trans person going into female sports...I wonder why

I found these two articles after 10 seconds of google, which is likely more research than you ever did on the topic before you came to your conclusion.

https://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/top-15-famous-transgender-athletes/

What About the Trans Athletes Who Compete — And Win — in Boys Sports?

I predict you are going to hem and haw and backpedal, probably claiming that you only meant athletes who utterly crushed their competition and dominated to a massive degree unseen in most male athletes, argueing these are not the majority of trans athletes, and probably a host of other tactics intended to allow you to save face and cling to your position, but I'm trying to be a good sport for once and also like to remind everyone that trans men exist.

 

[Aštra’el]

https://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/top-15-famous-transgender-athletes/

#15- Born male, competed as a man in men’s Pole Vault, transitioned into a woman after retiring.

#14- Born male, competed in women’s Skiing as a woman.

#13- Born female, competed in women’s shotput as a man.

#12- Born male, competed in women’s Volleyball as a woman.

#11- Born female, competed in women’s Track as a man.

#10- Born male, competed in men’s Soccer while identifying as nonbinary.

#9- Born female, competed in women’s college sports as a man.

#8- Born male, competed in women’s golf as a woman

***#7- Born female, competed in women’s Triathlon as a woman, then competed in men’s Duathlon and men’s Race Walking as a man***

#6- Born male, competed in women’s Golf as a woman

#5- Born intersex, competed in women’s Track as a woman

#4- Born male, competed in women’s MMA as a woman

#3- Born male, competed in women’s Golf as a woman

#2- Born male, competed in men’s Golf as a man, then competed in women’s Golf as a woman

#1- Born male, competed in men’s Decathalon as a man, transitioned into female after retiring (Bruce Jenner)

What About the Trans Athletes Who Compete — And Win — in Boys Sports?

I predict you are going to hem and haw and backpedal, probably claiming that you only meant athletes who utterly crushed their competition and dominated to a massive degree unseen in most male athletes, argueing these are not the majority of trans athletes, and probably a host of other tactics intended to allow you to save face and cling to your position, but I'm trying to be a good sport for once and also like to remind everyone that trans men exist

There is not a single mention in this article of any records being broken in men’s sports by those born female, or instances where the trans person won the gold and dominated the competition. Compare that to women’s sports, where records have easily been broken over and over again by women and girls who were born male, who completely destroy their competition.

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The point of my responses is that ideally, I would rather see trans people be offered their own divisions than compete in women’s sports. Men’s sports would still be open to any and all who have what it takes to compete (including women and trans).

 

[ElishaElijah]

Because God created them male and female. Humans can try to change that but it’s shown in sports how messed up our society is to think you can change that. A male competes as a female and this is ok for some is ridiculous IMO.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The point of my responses is that ideally, I would rather see trans people be offered their own divisions than compete in women’s sports. Men’s sports would still be open to any and all who have what it takes to compete (including women and trans).

I think that's a fair solution.

 

[Kooky]

There is not a single mention in this article of any records being broken in men’s sports by those born female, or instances where the trans person won the gold and dominated the competition.

How many cis men have broken records in male sports? More than 1%?

If they can't set a record, then what's even the point of training and competing in the first place? Maybe we should create a separate male divison for all the male athletes who can't hack it in the top 5 of their chosen sport.

The point of my responses is that ideally, I would rather see trans people be offered their own divisions than compete in women’s sports. Men’s sports would still be open to any and all who have what it takes to compete (including women and trans).

Why would you put people of a wide variety of hormonal makeup, muscle mass, weight and strength all into the same division? I thought we are not allowed to do that because it would be unfair?

 

[ElishaElijah]

How about just have male and female sports and if people have a problem determining who is a Male or a Female then we have big problems as a society. We have confused people making bad decisions.