US and UK carry out airstrikes against Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen

[libre]

Just like Hamas, their leaders don't care what happens to the people nor to their followers as long as they keep their villas and good life.

I don't disagree.

If we could send in a few special forces and grab the leaders, that would be great.

I am doubtful it would create any lasting change, but I wouldn't have any moral qualms with this.

 

[Kenny]

You think money is all that's needed?
Financial well being for Palestinians
is only part of the picture. People
like justice too.

I agree there!

 

[Stevicus]

Regarding the points made about piracy, it could still be possible to defend shipping at sea and from the air without necessarily attacking land-based targets. It's not as if these pirates are using battleships (or even U-boats). A single U.S. helicopter took out three of their boats the other day. They could convoy with merchant fleets like they did in WW2.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The war on terror is going great.

Any day now Islamist extremists will be completely wiped out and we can go back to life before 9/11, it could always just one more bomb away.

I still remember the Carter years. All those plane hijackings.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Regarding the points made about piracy, it could still be possible to defend shipping at sea and from the air without necessarily attacking land-based targets. It's not as if these pirates are using battleships (or even U-boats). A single U.S. helicopter took out three of their boats the other day. They could convoy with merchant fleets like they did in WW2.

Better still , arm the ships themselves.

 

[Laniakea]

Keep in mind HAMAS are israel's own creation, they are the people, that israel uprooted and put into the concentration camp (gaza). Technically HAMAS are israel's own people within israel's controlled environment.

The illegal activities of israels occupation are why HAMAS exists!

If Gaza is a concentration camp, it's the most heavily armed concentration camp in history. The concentration camps the Nazis had the Jews in never contained over 10,000 rockets that the Jews could fire at the Nazis even after being bombed hundreds of times. I'm sure those concentration camps also didn't contain hospitals that were stocked with guns and explosives either.

 

[Laniakea]

Regarding the points made about piracy, it could still be possible to defend shipping at sea and from the air without necessarily attacking land-based targets. It's not as if these pirates are using battleships (or even U-boats). A single U.S. helicopter took out three of their boats the other day. They could convoy with merchant fleets like they did in WW2.

What you're talking about is playing defense only. That doesn't stop the attacks. The drones and ballistic missiles they've been firing came from land. Those are the sites that were hit last night.

 

[Laniakea]

Better still , arm the ships themselves.

I'd be all for that! But I think there are International Maritime laws that forbid ships from being armed, or even the crew members from being armed. Otherwise, a crew armed with AR-15s would have no problem repelling people trying to board their ship. As it is now, only pirates and terrorists are armed. Everyone else is vulnerable, which is what makes the job of the pirates so easy. They can just land a helicopter on the ship, and take it from there.

 

[libre]

If Gaza is a concentration camp, it's the most heavily armed concentration camp in history.

Doesn't justify the existence of the concentration camp

 

[sun rise]

Bull****.

If the Arab nations had accepted the United Nations resolution in 1947, we'd have two states there now. If the Arab nations had overcome their hatred after the 1967 war, we'd have to states there today. Israel has done some horrible things but one sided blame is historically incorrect to put it mildly.

 

[oldbadger]

If your home is ever invaded by armed thugs, don't call the police. They're the government.
You could set an example by dealing with the invaders the way you think Israel's military should deal with Hamas terrorists.

That would be a bit like responding to vicious robbers/murderers from down the road by killing all your neighbours.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree there!

This should happen more often.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I don't think that the prices of oil and consumer goods are justifiable grounds for military intervention.

Using this as context ...

Military intervention, as the main issue, has been defined by Martha Finnemore in the context of international relations as "the deployment of military personnel across recognized boundaries for the purpose of determining the political authority structure in the target state". [source]​

... three points:

1. I generally agree with the thrust of your comment.
2. I do, however, think that labelling the current escalation as military intervention rather than military defense obscures its history and function, even if inadvertently.
3. I would guess that both of us are far better positioned to discount the socioeconomic impact of Houthi terrorist attacks in the Red Sea than are many who might well find it resulting in severe hardship or, even, an existential threat.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That would be a bit like responding to vicious robbers/murderers from down the road by killing all your neighbours.

^ literally thoughtless

 

[Wandering Monk]

Anyone here have a problem with Israel returning to its 1947 borders established by the UN? Seems neither Arabs nor Jews were very happy with those borders. I guess that is what compromise is all about: no one is happy with it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Seems neither Arabs nor Jews were very happy with those borders.

Which Jews?

Zionists launched an intense White House lobby to have the UNSCOP plan endorsed, and the effects were not trivial.[91] The Democratic Party, a large part of whose contributions came from Jews,[92] informed Truman that failure to live up to promises to support the Jews in Palestine would constitute a danger to the party. [source]

 

[Wandering Monk]

Which Jews?

Perhaps I should have said 'some Jewish factions' were not happy with the partition.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Perhaps I should have said 'some Jewish factions' were not happy with the partition.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which Jewish factions?

 

[Bthoth]

If Gaza is a concentration camp, it's the most heavily armed concentration camp in history.

Armed? I have not seen palestinian tanks. How many aircraft carriers do they have? There are prisons with more weapons, than they have found in gaza. In fact, san questin has enough crips to take on the whole of HAMAS in a weekend, with pencils and plastic spoons.

The concentration camps the Nazis had the Jews in never contained over 10,000 rockets that the Jews could fire at the Nazis even after being bombed hundreds of times.

Do you think WW2 and the atrocity of what happened to Jews is the benchmark to measure with? Did you just use a Godwin argument?

Not even adolf had a concentration camp as big as gaza that lasted for decades. But just the same, controlled by land air and sea.

Are you waiting for the people to become skin and bones before you will identify starving the people as cruel? Is that the style of retribution that you are awaiting to identify the war crimes?

I'm sure those concentration camps also didn't contain hospitals that were stocked with guns and explosives either.

Stocked? Here in the USA a homeowner could have more weapons than the little shelf of staged arms. I remember one image about a month ago, showing a single 50 caliper bullet standing up among a shelf of junk. A soldier would put a 50 caliper down, if he only had 1 bullet left. It's too heavy to carry.


If the muslims of the world were such bad guys, then how could the apartheid have lasted so long? In my view I figure, overall, muslims must be extremely patient to be watching that mess in palestine for over half a century.

If Gaza was full of christians, the mess would have been shut down over night.

 

[metis]

One oil expert I read said that if the Red Sea shipping were to be stopped by Iran or its proxies, after a while gas here in the states could hit $17 per gallon. Obviously, many other countries would also see a rise.