US and UK carry out airstrikes against Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen

[metis]

Doesn't justify the existence of the concentration camp

It is not a concentration camp, and I've visited concentration camps in Poland, including three death camps.

 

[metis]

So, according to some, Israel is just supposed to let thousands of rockets hit them and just do nothing to even try and defend itself; nor react to those killed, mutilated, raped, kidnapped, etc. on 10-7. Ya, didn't we here in the States do that after Pearl Harbor, 9-11, ... ?

 

[libre]

It is not a concentration camp, and I've visited concentration camps in Poland, including three death camps.

I was responding following the logic of the poster I was responding to, as they said 'if' Gaza was.
I don't use the term concentration camp to refer to Gaza, but I think open air prison is fitting.

 

[metis]

I was responding following the logic of the poster I was responding to, as they said 'if' Gaza was.
I don't use the term concentration camp to refer to Gaza, but I think open air prison is fitting.

Palestinians have been free to come and go out of Gaza, and some have. Many also worked in Israel on agricultural kibbutzim, and I was on one in 1998 as a visitor.

People in Gaza voted for Hamas in 2006, and elections have consequences.

 

[Wandering Monk]

One oil expert I read said that if the Red Sea shipping were to be stopped by Iran or its proxies, after a while gas here in the states could hit $17 per gallon. Obviously, many other countries would also see a ris

Iran has ONE port that handles crude oil: Karg Island. If that get hits, Iran loses its oil revenues.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A Saudi backed state, rebellion and Iran.
Why the hell can't America justvstay the hell out? It's not like Saudi Arabia is prime ally material amd of course the itch ti go after Iran is so strong even Trump came perilously close to starting a war against them.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Keeping them poor & abused
is a guarantee that a Hamas will always retaliate.

Being Jews in the Middle East means Islam will always retaliate to their very presence. That seems to be a given - these people will NEVER tolerate their neighbors nor assimilate the fact that they are outmatched and have no choice but to accept them or be at continual war. They prefer the latter.

They offer the Israelis the choice to either pack up and go away, tolerate repeated terrorist attacks without responding, or return fire. None of those have worked or will work, but Israel, it seems, is forced to choose one. Neither will a two-state solution work, since Israel is one state too many for the Muslims, and would be unwelcome even if Israel were vanquished by the Jews remained in Arab country. It's not about the Palestinians' sovereignty. It's about their obsessive commitment to obliterating the Israelis.

If I were the head of Israel - and I understand how controversial a comment this will be - I'd continue the retaliation until the Palestinians surrender, since stopping would surely soon be followed by the next murderous terrorist attack then the next.

And I expect that many Israelis would support that foreign policy over the alternatives I've named - leaving the region or taking the hits without retaliation. My feeling would be that rather than accepting either of the other possibilities, they can have me and a handful of my compatriots if they are willing to die at ten times the rate we do. Unless this intolerant culture eventually relents in another century or three, there appears to be no other outcome possible here except for the Israelis to keep delivering a greater punishment than they receive forever, so let it be and let it be effective. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them take Hamas out or leave the Middle East themselves.

It's good to know that some people realize that there is only one language terrorist and rouge countries will understand

I thought that this might be a typo the first time I saw it.

It's really keeping rouges underfoot.

But here it is again.

Do you know who likes to keep rouge underfoot? French designer Christian Louboutin, famous for his red-soled shoes (I learned this watching Jeopardy! recently):

 

[Revoltingest]

Being Jews in the Middle East means Islam will always retaliate to their very presence.

Do you mean to say that Israel's brutal apartheid,
land theft, & now war crimes don't exacerbate
the conflict?

That seems to be a given...

To those with humanity for Jews, but not Muslims,
yes it's a given. And that has been a problem that
approaches a century.

- these people will NEVER tolerate their neighbors nor assimilate the fact that they are outmatched and have no choice but to accept them or be at continual war. They prefer the latter.

That's utter bigotry.
The rest isn't worth addressing.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Do you mean to say that Israel's brutal apartheid,
land theft, & now war crimes don't exacerbate
the conflict?

I meant what I wrote - that if the last 3/4 of a century is any indication, the Palestinians and their Muslim allies will continue attacking the Israelis forever as long as both live where they do, and that nothing Israel does will mitigate that. The Israeli's need do nothing and the problem exists anyway. What does exacerbate tensions are these terrorist attacks from these violent, intolerant people. If they would stop, then there would be no need to retaliate. But that's apparently not going to happen any time soon.

And they appear to be willing to sacrifice their women and children - an inevitable result of these attacks on Israel. The Palestinians know it. The Iranians know it. The Yemeni know it. The Libyans, Egyptians, Lebanese, Jordanians and Syrians know it. And yet they choose to attack stronger enemies in the hope that their Western values will make them soft in the face of such potential victims, and many are, but not the Israelis and Americans making the decisions.

That's utter bigotry.

Not because you say so. It is a prediction based in history. If you could rebut it, I imagine you would have tried.

So since you think I'm a bigot, by which I assume you also mean not just irratioanlly hateful, but also wrong in my judgment about what the future hold for the Israeli's, when do you see the Palestinians beginning to relent and just accept Israel's claim to the land? 2050? 2075? 2100? 2200?

My guess is never, and that I am correct when I say that the Israelis' have only three choices - to abandon their lands, to allow terrorist attacks to go unanswered, or to retaliate. So please make your case for bigotry, explain why you used that word, and suggest which of those option you think the Israeli's should choose if not retaliation? Or maybe you can think of a fourth choice. The continual calls for the Israelis to just stand down solve nothing. If they do that, they will be attacked again as soon as Muslim terrorists can muster up another assault - sooner rather than later if they act tentatively.

 

[Laniakea]

Doesn't justify the existence of the concentration camp

You haven't even proven it exists.

 

[Laniakea]

Armed? I have not seen palestinian tanks. How many aircraft carriers do they have? There are prisons with more weapons, than they have found in gaza. In fact, san questin has enough crips to take on the whole of HAMAS in a weekend, with pencils and plastic spoons.

Perhaps you missed seeing any of the 10,000+ missiles they launched (and haven't stopped launching) into Israel. Or forgotten about the rifles and grenades they used when they invaded Israel and murdered 1,200 civilians in their homes.

Do you think WW2 and the atrocity of what happened to Jews is the benchmark to measure with? Did you just use a Godwin argument?

Yeah, I keep forgetting that we're supposed to forget about the Holocaust. Thankfully, the Jews said, "We will never forget", and they haven't.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Doesn't justify the existence of the concentration camp

That is outrageous.

 

[Revoltingest]

I meant what I wrote - that if the last 3/4 of a century is any indication, the Palestinians and their Muslim allies will continue attacking the Israelis forever as long as both live where they do, and that nothing Israel does will mitigate that.

So you're one those, eh.
That leaves no common ground.

 

[oldbadger]

^ literally thoughtless

Most sadly, I come to believe that the Israeli leadership is fully conscious about its actions. But I don't think that all Israelis support what is happening. Not at all. And both my country's leaders (UK) and the American leaders are escalating this conflict further.
I begin to wonder where this will end.

 

[libre]

That is outrageous.

See post 103.

 

[Revoltingest]

^ literally thoughtless

Nay, twas brilliant.
What is it with you guys who justify Israel's
murdering tens of thousands of people,
maiming many more, & driving millions
from their homes, eh. Such brutal inhumanity
from "God's Chosen" people & disciples of
Jesus is really malignant.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Being Jews in the Middle East means Islam will always retaliate to their very presence. That seems to be a given - these people will NEVER tolerate their neighbors nor assimilate the fact that they are outmatched and have no choice but to accept them or be at continual war. They prefer the latter.

Characterizations which are perfectly accurate when dealing with Hamas take on a much different quality when applied to Islam in general. Meanwhile, "Israel" as a polity has done a thoroughly miserable job respecting and promoting the human rights of the Palestinians.

 

[Father Heathen]

I agree we should focus more on the domestic front, but to ignore rouge nations and factions is irresponsible.

They started the attacks, people needed help badly, and the US and UK responded as they should.

Why don't Republicans have this attitude toward Russia and its invasion of Ukraine?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Iran's navy seizes oil tanker in Gulf of Oman that was at the center of a major US-Iran crisis

Iran’s navy has seized an oil tanker in the Gulf of Oman that once was at the center of a major crisis between Tehran and Washington, a seizure that further escalates tensions in the Mideast waterways.

apnews.com

They really, REALLY want a war with us.

Us? I don’t want a war with anyone, and I wish my country, the U.K., would stop shaming it’s citizens by following the U.S. into every one of their military misadventures.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Why don't Republicans have this attitude toward Russia and its invasion of Ukraine?

Well the Republicans aren't in charge now are they?