US and UK carry out airstrikes against Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen

[Twilight Hue]

......

Many Afghan women did not see the American's as the feminist force they purported to be.
See: Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan - Wikipedia.

Meanwhile in American-less Afghanistan....

Video: Women whipped in Afghanistan for going to shop without male guardian

Afghanistan: Last week, three women and 11 men were flogged following the orders of an Afghan court.

www.hindustantimes.com

'I lost consciousness': woman whipped by the Taliban over burqa without veil | Haroon Janjua

Aziza’s story reflects the growing number of violent public assaults on women deemed to be in breach of sharia law in Afghanistan

www.theguardian.com

Three women among dozen publicly flogged in Afghanistan - Taliban official

A crowd of about 5000 people watched the lashings, a punishment for "moral crimes".

www.bbc.com

Sharia law returns to Afghanistan as Taliban confirms public whippings

Robbery and illegal adultery are resulting in public punishments as well as accompanying prison terms

www.telegraph.co.uk

I'm sure women in Afghanistan don't miss the Americans at all.

 

[Laniakea]

You've not uttered a word of condemnation
for Putin in this thread. Does this mean you
support his invasion of Ukraine?

I reject your specious argument that critisim
must be balanced. Israel is the top dog in
this conflict, wielding the military & financial
power of USA for 70+ years to murder, steal
from, maim, torture, oppress, & commit
human rights violations against Palestinians.
Israel is the one with the power to end the
conflict, & it chooses instead to kill with
reckless vengeful abandon. Twenty eyes for
an eye isn't enuf for God's Chosen People.
Shame on you for supporting such death
& destruction.

Your response is called a "whataboutism".
I'm still genuinely concerned about why you show support for Hamas's actions by not condemning them.

 

[Laniakea]

Meanwhile in American-less Afghanistan....

Video: Women whipped in Afghanistan for going to shop without male guardian

Afghanistan: Last week, three women and 11 men were flogged following the orders of an Afghan court.

www.hindustantimes.com

'I lost consciousness': woman whipped by the Taliban over burqa without veil | Haroon Janjua

Aziza’s story reflects the growing number of violent public assaults on women deemed to be in breach of sharia law in Afghanistan

www.theguardian.com

Three women among dozen publicly flogged in Afghanistan - Taliban official

A crowd of about 5000 people watched the lashings, a punishment for "moral crimes".

www.bbc.com

Sharia law returns to Afghanistan as Taliban confirms public whippings

Robbery and illegal adultery are resulting in public punishments as well as accompanying prison terms

www.telegraph.co.uk

I'm sure women in Afghanistan don't miss the Americans at all.

And notice how we never see any pro-Afghanistan women mobs in the streets of America stopping traffic during rush hour. But pro-Hamas groups, oh yeah, they're all over the place. Women are now taking a backseat to terrorists when it comes to getting support (unless they're "women" who are actually men).

 

[Revoltingest]

Your response is called a "whataboutism".
I'm still genuinely concerned about why you show support for Hamas's actions by not condemning them.

I'll play the same game....
I'm still genuinely concerned why you support genocide,
theft of land, murder, & maiming children by blowing off
their limbs, & then denying the medical care.

 

[Bthoth]

Afghanistan would have turned out differently if we had not focused on Iraq and refused to do what was needed in Afghanistan.

So you are now on afghanistan?

Let me help:

The US sponsored the Mujahideen rebellion, as the russians invaded afghanistan in 1979, the US helped them repel the russian invassion.
That is what the main reason the US was in afghanistan. That is where Osama bin laden began; with Mujahideen. He was actually an ally but few even comprehend why the USA was in afghanistan and what the problem with Osama was about. After the russians backed off the US pulled out and then russians returned and wiped out the remaining fighters, which is what caused that hatred from Osama.

Iraq was not even important but the war machine was turned on by 911 and iraq was an easy target to vent out US need for retribution.

And yes it was a failure and generations of girls and women are suffering seriously because of that.

The culture of the hard liner afghans has a long history. The religious extremism was used to create the mujahadeena and al queda fighting force.
The US involvement was instrumental in putting in the shah of iran and the Mojahidin of iran was the religious right that were against the US puppet, the shah. The 70's is where the USA made huge mistakes but nothing was worse, than funding the 1967 land grab and the US kept trying to patch things up with the muslims and dug themselves into more wars and divides.


Now the HAMAS atrocity of 10/7 has created a new set of problems, which includes the houthis attacks on the shipping lanes.

I even saw a comment by Biden to shut down the Nord 2 pipeline.

It's getting ugly

 

[Laniakea]

I'll play the same game....
I'm still genuinely concerned why you support genocide,
theft of land, murder, & maiming children by blowing off
their limbs, & then denying the medical care.

Still not willing to answer, eh?
Go ahead, keep deflecting. I'll wait until you realize it's a losing tactic.

 

[Laniakea]

So you are now on afghanistan?

Let me help:

The US sponsored the Mujahideen rebellion, as the russians invaded afghanistan in 1979, the US helped them repel the russian invassion.
That is what the main reason the US was in afghanistan. That is where Osama bin laden began; with Mujahideen. He was actually an ally but few even comprehend why the USA was in afghanistan and what the problem with Osama was about. After the russians backed off the US pulled out and then russians returned and wiped out the remaining fighters, which is what caused that hatred from Osama.

Iraq was not even important but the war machine was turned on by 911 and iraq was an easy target to vent out US need for retribution.

The culture of the hard liner afghans has a long history. The religious extremism was used to create the mujahadeena and al queda fighting force.
The US involvement was instrumental in putting in the shah of iran and the Mojahidin of iran was the religious right that were against the US puppet, the shah. The 70's is where the USA made huge mistakes but nothing was worse, than funding the 1967 land grab and the US kept trying to patch things up with the muslims and dug themselves into more wars and divides.


Now the HAMAS atrocity of 10/7 has created a new set of problems, which includes the houthis attacks on the shipping lanes.

I even saw a comment by Biden to shut down the Nord 2 pipeline.

It's getting ugly

With all the historical dates you go back to, I'm surprised you don't bring up the Hiroshima bombing, and how it's the reason we're now having to buy so much from China. Anything to blame America for whatever you don't like.

 

[Kenny]

Really? And your evidence for this is . . . ?

Before Takeover, Taliban Reportedly Offered to Let US Secure Kabul and Airport

Panic, uncertainty, and surprise marked the last days of U.S. armed forces in Afghanistan.

www.snopes.com

 

[Revoltingest]

Still not willing to answer, eh?
Go ahead, keep deflecting. I'll wait until you realize it's a losing tactic.

Still no denial of your approval of genocide?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Before Takeover, Taliban Reportedly Offered to Let US Secure Kabul and Airport

Panic, uncertainty, and surprise marked the last days of U.S. armed forces in Afghanistan.

www.snopes.com

Things could still have very easily gone wrong. There was a mere possibility of a lack of violence, it is always easy to second guess based upon weak information. But at least you have a little something.

 

[libre]

Meanwhile in American-less Afghanistan....

Barbarities of the regime do not invalidate anything that I posted.
Do you disagree that Afghanistan was an abysmal failure?

 

[Bthoth]

With all the historical dates you go back to, I'm surprised you don't bring up the Hiroshima bombing, and how it's the reason we're now having to buy so much from China.

China was being crippled by japan and why the US defended china from JAPAN. In the 30-50's. The USA kicked japans arse in those batttles (flying tigers/hells angels).

Anything to blame America for whatever you don't like.

I dont blame America. I understand the history without condemnations but accepting reality.

What's your problem?

 

[Bthoth]

This thread is *NOT* about Israel and Hamas. You are ignoring the thread title. As the one who started the thread, I'm asking you to stick to the topic.

Agreed

And Your assumption that I'm ignorant is UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WRONG.

When did i write that assumption?

Do you feel guilty of something? i did not write that claim (of your assumption).

 

[Laniakea]

Still no denial of your approval of genocide?

No approval, which is why I will be glad to see Hamas wiped off the face of the earth.

 

[Revoltingest]

No approval, which is why I will be glad to see Hamas wiped off the face of the earth.

Israel will fail because its terrible crimes will
inspire more armed rebellion. They're just
too full of hatred, vengeance, & bigotry
to see it.

 

[libre]

Using this as context ...

1. I do, however, think that labelling the current escalation as military intervention rather than military defense obscures its history and function, even if inadvertently.

It's a thoughtful reply, but I don't agree with labeling it as an entirely defensive operation.

If any country that the Western imperialists had put under blockade had responded with airstrikes, I don't think for a moment that the international community would see it as an act of defense and not of aggression. Given that the West supported the blockade against Yemen, it's quite clear to me that it is not a commitment of America or the Brits to 'the free flow of international commerce', but a commitment to the free flow of their commerce.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's a thoughtful reply, but I don't agree with labeling it as an entirely defensive operation.

That's valuable feedback. Thanks. In truth, geopolitics is rarely entirely defensive when the United States is concerned. But the question still stands. Would you have the U. S. abandon the Red Sea shipping lanes to Houthi terrorist attacks?

 

[Wandering Monk]

But the question still stands. Would you have the U. S. abandon the Red Sea shipping lanes to Houthi terrorist attacks?

It would be interesting to see what happens if the US would do that. At the least, shipping costs would increase. Those costs would have to be passed to the consumer because profit margins for the shipping companies are pretty thin as it is from what I understand.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Then let's introduce a third option: Sitting down at a negotiation table after your enemy brutally kills 1,200 of your people so you can ask them what you must do to make them not want to do that again?

1,200 was a while ago. They're up to 23,000 now.

Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam | Oxfam International

www.oxfam.org

Or maybe the fourth option: Simply stop existing in order to fulfil the enemies goal of wiping you off the face of the Earth?

That does seem like the Israeli government's end goal with regard to Gaza.

 

[metis]

It would be interesting to see what happens if the US would do that. At the least, shipping costs would increase. Those costs would have to be passed to the consumer because profit margins for the shipping companies are pretty thin as it is from what I understand.

One oil expert said gas prices in the U.S. could go as high as $17 per gallon if the Red Sea would be blocked.