US and UK carry out airstrikes against Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen

[Kenny]

America had been planning their withdrawal for the 10 years since they killed Bin Laden.
Trying to pin the failures on the final months is a refusal to confront facts.

I don’t think you know the facts if that is your position.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well the Republicans aren't in charge now are they?

Of the house, yes. Besides, how does that change the principle of the matter?

 

[sun rise]

Are you new to the topic of israel's illegal occupation of palestine? How do you think concentration camp gaza was created? Israel took lands from palestinians and then moved the people into gaza, by force.

If you have no idea about what HAMAS is, then do some reading before posting.

""Hamas, an acronym of its official name, the Islamic Resistance Movement, is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.""""

"""

Other sources say that Hamas was founded by Yassin and six other Palestinians as an offshoot of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood after Palestinians were killed in a traffic accident involving an Israeli driver during the events that followed–First Intifada, a Palestinian uprising against Israel's occupation of the West Bank ..."""""


ps... having facts, does not mean supporting HAMAS.

This thread is *NOT* about Israel and Hamas. You are ignoring the thread title. As the one who started the thread, I'm asking you to stick to the topic. And Your assumption that I'm ignorant is UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WRONG.

 

[sun rise]

I don’t think you know the facts if that is your position.

It's also ignoring the thread subject to ride a hobby horse.

 

[sun rise]

Which Jewish factions?

Side comment: seriously? How about two religious extremists in Netanyahu's government for starters.

 

[sun rise]

Why don't Republicans have this attitude toward Russia and its invasion of Ukraine?

Because der leader loves Putin and Russia.

 

[libre]

I don’t think you know the facts if that is your position.

Feel free to enlighten me.
I don't see how the war in Afghanistan can be realistically framed as anything other than an abysmal failure, unless one is a weapons or defence contractor.

 

[Kenny]

Feel free to enlighten me.
I don't see how the war in Afghanistan can be realistically framed as anything other than an abysmal failure, unless one is a weapons or defence contractor.

The exit did not have to include loss of life.

 

[Laniakea]

Nay, twas brilliant.
What is it with you guys who justify Israel's
murdering tens of thousands of people,
maiming many more, & driving millions
from their homes, eh. Such brutal inhumanity
from "God's Chosen" people & disciples of
Jesus is really malignant.

Not a single word of condemnation against Hamas terrorists who murdered 1,200 Israelis, and took over 150 hostages, including infants?

 

[Laniakea]

Why don't Republicans have this attitude toward Russia and its invasion of Ukraine?

We did, until it became obvious that Ukraine is using our money to fund the retirements of high-ranking officials, conduct sex change operations, and other woke crap--no doubt as a condition from our government for getting the money.

 

[sun rise]

Feel free to enlighten me.
I don't see how the war in Afghanistan can be realistically framed as anything other than an abysmal failure, unless one is a weapons or defence contractor.

Afghanistan would have turned out differently if we had not focused on Iraq and refused to do what was needed in Afghanistan.

And yes it was a failure and generations of girls and women are suffering seriously because of that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The exit did not have to include loss of life.

Really? And your evidence for this is . . . ?

 

[Revoltingest]

Not a single word of condemnation against Hamas terrorists who murdered 1,200 Israelis, and took over 150 hostages, including infants?

You've not uttered a word of condemnation
for Putin in this thread. Does this mean you
support his invasion of Ukraine?

I reject your specious argument that critisim
must be balanced. Israel is the top dog in
this conflict, wielding the military & financial
power of USA for 70+ years to murder, steal
from, maim, torture, oppress, & commit
human rights violations against Palestinians.
Israel is the one with the power to end the
conflict, & it chooses instead to kill with
reckless vengeful abandon. Twenty eyes for
an eye isn't enuf for God's Chosen People.
Shame on you for supporting such death
& destruction.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Afghanistan would have turned out differently if we had not focused on Iraq and refused to do what was needed in Afghanistan.

And yes it was a failure and generations of girls and women are suffering seriously because of that.

Possibly. Though history disagrees. How long was Russia there? And they were far less humane than we are. They eventually left after they finally realized that they were not getting anywhere.

I wonder, would bribery of the poor have worked better than an armed conflict? It might have been cheaper.

 

[Stevicus]

I wonder, would bribery of the poor have worked better than an armed conflict? It might have been cheaper.

I would say yes. You always get more flies with honey than with vinegar.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Side comment: seriously? How about two religious extremists in Netanyahu's government for starters.

Seriously? How about trying to keep up with dialogue and making at least a minimal effort to read my comments in context "for starters"?

Let me help:

Anyone here have a problem with Israel returning to its 1947 borders established by the UN? Seems neither Arabs nor Jews were very happy with those borders. I guess that is what compromise is all about: no one is happy with it.

Which Jews?

Perhaps I should have said 'some Jewish factions' were not happy with the partition.

Which Jewish factions?

Note the original statement:

"Seems neither Arabs nor Jews were very happy with those borders." [emphasis added - JS]​

So, returning to your (not so clever) quip: "How about two religious extremists in Netanyahu's government for starters."

• The 1947 borders were established in ... (I'll let you answer figure out this one)
• Netanyahu was born in 1949; his first term as Prime Minister was 1996-1999.
• Ben-Gvir was born in 1976. His (Kahanist) Otzma Yehudit party was founded in 2012.
• Smotrich was born in 1980. His National Religious Party-Religious Zionism Party was founded in 2023.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Afghanistan would have turned out differently if we had not focused on Iraq and refused to do what was needed in Afghanistan.

And yes it was a failure and generations of girls and women are suffering seriously because of that.

How? Russia and England couldn't. What could America have done different, especially considering England couldn't when colonizing was a specialty of the Crown?

 

[Bthoth]

Perhaps you missed seeing any of the 10,000+ missiles they launched (and haven't stopped launching) into Israel.

10,000????? Nice embellishment. How many people died from the 10,000 as you claimed?

Or forgotten about the rifles and grenades they used when they invaded Israel and murdered 1,200 civilians in their homes.

That was a horrible day. But the retribution since, is 10 times worse. What I find disgusting, is Jews all over the earth are being abused because of the horrible acts that israel is imposing upon Gaza and west bank civilians.

Of do you forget that Jews are not the problem and the label of Jew, jews, judaism should be eliminated from the topic, divide.... genocide.

Yeah, I keep forgetting that we're supposed to forget about the Holocaust.

Why would you do that? Remembering the history of ww2 is perhaps a good foundation for Israelis to know that it's wrong to divide people behind fencing and then expect impunity.

I wrote:
Bthoth said:
""Do you think WW2 and the atrocity of what happened to Jews is the benchmark to measure with? Did you just use a Godwin argument?""

I wrote that because you tried to deny that gaza is a concentration camp and used the comparison (proved the godwin theory).

Israel does not have a right to impose apartheid. That fact is what you must accept! No matter which religious identifier, it is just wrong to divide a people based on an atrocity that did not have anything to do with palestine, ww2.

Thankfully, the Jews said, "We will never forget", and they haven't.

OK....... the Jews are not the problem of this divide. The people of hate and ignorance are using Jews as the namesake, begging for credibility. I called out the foolish godwin argument with comparing of the ww2 atrocity as a benchmark of concentration camp to use before identifying GAZA as a concentration camp of the current apartheid.

 

[Bthoth]

This thread is *NOT* about Israel and Hamas. You are ignoring the thread title. As the one who started the thread, I'm asking you to stick to the topic. And Your assumption that I'm ignorant is UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WRONG.

You USed HAMAS in comments, as well as the 1947 creation of Israel. When did I call you ignorant?

I am aware that the houthis of yemen are claimed to be iranian backed and also the parties shooting at ships in the red sea.

Israel cannot take the mount because of the RED LINE by the ayatollah. But the houthis are not involved with HAMAS or the apartheid.

That attempt of genocide by israel are why the houthis are going rogue. Over 2 million palestinians are displaced, hungry, cold and without humanitarian assistance. That is why the houthis are shooting at anything that moves in the straight.

I remember when the saudis tried to wipe out the houthis and the global community wanted to stop it. Iran is the primary country to arm them to defend themselves.

What is more important, allowing israel to kill anything that does not support the apartheid or having empathy for the oppressed?

 

[libre]

Afghanistan would have turned out differently if we had not focused on Iraq and refused to do what was needed in Afghanistan.

I'm hesitant to accept that given that so many empires have failed to do so. I'm also not aware of a country that the United States has been particularly effectual at implementing regime change in using the methods they did in Afghanistan.

Many Afghan women did not see the American's as the feminist force they purported to be.
See: Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan - Wikipedia.