Thief
Rogue Theologian
I don't think He is that involved.
God gave Man dominion.
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Verifiable evidence for creationism?
- Thread starter leibowde84
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God gave Man dominion.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
dna experiments
evolution
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
I don't know what it relates to now. We are judged by our words is true.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Did you mean for all of these words to come out in this order, or did they just fall out randomly?
I asked: "Do you see the contradiction here?"
You answered: "Apparently you think there is ... go for it." (nonsensical ... go for what? I have no idea what you are getting at here)
Then you said: "It's rather boring dragging you through your own questions." (this statement doesn't make sense at all, as you aren't dragging me through anything. I pointed out a contradiction in your claim, and you just put some random words together in a vain effort to insult me.)
dust1n
Zindīq
Why would an all-intelligent being need to "experiment?"
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Creating new things could be called, or said to be, experimentation.
An all-intelligent being could determine the outcome of certain things before setting them in motion -except if that being designed something which prevented it.
Humans have the ability to disagree with reasonable authority -or even logic.
Though God declared the end from the beginning, that is not to say all of our choices are predetermined. Our choices are limited by our power -his power and choice supersedes ours.
God does not know everything we might choose or create -because he made it so.
He essentially made himself not all-intelligent by making other independent intelligences.
DNA is a sort of non-self-aware intelligence, but I"m not certain if it has any sort of truly independent choice in relation to God.
Then there is the possibility that, though it might be possible, it might not be necessary to micromanage everything, if it was determined things could not get out of control.
Not knowing the future to a certain degree -delighting in the creations of others -would be a good thing from God's perspective -as long as he was certain he could relinquish control over some things without it resulting in disaster.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
blending spirit into body seems to have results not certain
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Creationism cannot be proven unless there is definitive proof for a Creator.
Such as it is "creationism" is poor biblical interpretation posing as even worse science.
Such as it is "creationism" is poor biblical interpretation posing as even worse science.
dust1n
Zindīq
So God isn't all knowing? Why would I think in a particular God that doesn't know anything at all?
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leibowde84
Veteran Member
All-knowing requires knowledge of the future in its entirety, does it not?
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Yes.
Did an all-knowing God create something which he could not know -purposefully becoming not all-knowing to a certain degree?
Exo 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Isa 46:8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
I believe God is moving with us as the universe is moving through the present.
knowing tomorrow would make tomorrow already known.
not much point in knowing tomorrow
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
That's very interesting. Is that actually what you believe or are you just defending the position that you've built yourself into?
You've made your god subservient to the whole of the Universe, acting within the confines of it, and not setting himself apart from it. If your god is subservient to the Universe, then doesn't that make it something less than a god?
If I built a clock, like a pocket watch, I wouldn't be limited to the confines of the movements of the gears within that watch. I would be greater than the watch and move and act outside of the confines of the watch that I created. I would also know the future of the watch, as I would have complete control over it's construction, maintenance, and destruction (should I see fit.) To restrain my thoughts and actions to those only within the inner-workings of the watch must mean that I didn't make it, and that I'm only part of the watch...
That presents a serious problem to you argument for a creator deity who calls himself Almighty, doesn't it?
dust1n
Zindīq
Fair enough. So he seems like he would be just as fallible in a human in this case...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
not at all.....it's His creation.
moving with it .....doesn't make Him less...
and if it wasn't for the nay sayers and other back seat drivers....
the ride would be more enjoyable.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
I could choose to only focus on the clock that I made, and that's fine. But don't I also have the ability to know other things as well? Wouldn't I also have the knowledge of the clock's future, even though I choose to spend my time really focused on the inner-workings of the clock that I made?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
you seem to be crossing a pending and predictable result with
immediate attention and items at hand.
Let's try, planting a tree and enjoying the moment.....
and knowing I will be long dead before it matures....
having a sense of consequence is not the same as having detailed future in mind.
V lad i mir
Member
amino acids creating cell only by command of DNA. enough of evidence? And creation was not about 7000 years ago. About 7000 years ago humanity was infected by religions.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
as a creator....you have enough understanding to see the end of your handiwork.
as Creator...you have understanding how all things of your creating will end.
that doesn't mean you are micro-managing....all things
neither does it set firm.....you are in the past, present and future all at once.
of course and occasional tweak here and there is expected.
see Genesis Chapter Two
The Cambrian Explosion, a period where species of all the major phyla appear full-bodied in the fossil record, with no previous transitional forms to explain it. Only the Biblical Creation account provides any credible explanation. No wonder, when I speak with people, many aren't aware of it!