Verifiable evidence for creationism?

[leibowde84]

A table has legs - can a table walk?

What's your point here?

 

[Robert.Evans]

No I don't think it's damaging for a person to say they don't believe in god(s) and then to provide the reasons for not believing. What is damaging about that?

Do you believe in Thor? Do you think it's damaging to explain why you don't believe in Thor?

Who or what is it damaging?

There are many expression of Self within the divine-consciousness. We are not just atoms stuck on a rock resembling humans. There is more to it that that. There has been a rise of atheism since people like him started making their millions whilst others have nothing. They will die because of it, and he gives them the excuse. They follow his title. I should start a thread on it I think.

All gods exist or did exist.

 

[leibowde84]

Ultimately, if you want to go back past the concept of God, you will find something that just is. There has to be as nothing can only be nothing. You have to have something to bring something else. So we see cause and effect. As mindnumbing as it might be to think that something just IS, it is better than saying that it ISN'T. That Source of all things changed, and therein started the domino effect. Why and how it changed, I don't know. That is the unknowable one.

You are saying that the universe cannot just be, yet you don't worry about this with God. Thus, you are basing your argument on a yet unsupported assumption. You claim that there is nothing beyond God as if it were fact. Please explain your reasoning for this.

 

[Desert Snake]

So, cause and effect is a constant except where it doesn't line up with your beliefs? That is literally what you are saying.

Do you think that that is literally what I am saying? I think that you are missing the argument/s/ , here. Your position is not logical, imo, so why do you hold it? Anything that doesn't fit into your theory is wrong?

 

[SkepticThinker]

There are many expression of Self within the divine-consciousness. We are not just atoms stuck on a rock resembling humans. There is more to it that that. There has been a rise of atheism since people like him started making their millions whilst others have nothing. They will die because of it, and he gives them the excuse. They follow his title. I should start a thread on it I think.

All gods exist or did exist.

Everyone is going to die. I really have no idea what you are trying to say here other than to share YOUR opinion about the universe. Which incidentally you seem to think is damaging when someone else does the same.

But seriously, can you answer the questions.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Are you arguing for censorship of atheists?

 

[leibowde84]

Do you think that that is literally what I am saying? I think that you are missing the argument/s/ , here. Your position is not logical, imo, so why do you hold it? Anything that doesn't fit into your theory is wrong?

What is illogical about it. You can't say that causation is necessary for everything and then say that God is exempt. That is certainly contradictory.

 

[McBell]

then substance came first (for you)...and you are dust

I'm sure you are fine with that

You really should stop trying to dictate to others what they think and believe.
You really suck at it.

 

[Thief]

God formed the first singularity...
I place Spirit first.

then He pinched that singularity and snapped His fingers.....inducing rotation

then pronounced....Let there be light.

 

[leibowde84]

God formed the first singularity...
I place Spirit first.

then He pinched that singularity and snapped His fingers.....inducing rotation

then pronounced....Let there be light.

Light would get sucked in by the gravity of a singularity, as it would create a black hole.

 

[Thief]

obviously not
otherwise the expansion would still be that initial singularity

 

[leibowde84]

obviously not
otherwise the expansion would still be that initial singularity

Yeah, that would be the big bang, not "God snapping his fingers".

 

[Thief]

the rotation is the proving....
otherwise that bang would be an ever expanding pulse....
one shell of energy of increasing diameter

 

[McBell]

obviously not
otherwise the expansion would still be that initial singularity

So much for your science.....

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Pinnacle of biological design? By what metric?

form and function

The brain is by far the most complex design with the most difficult function to replicate

 

[Robert.Evans]

The fingers movement has a cause, does it not? So does the attached person, does it not? So, this analogy doesn't help you here.

The analogy worked for its purpose. Ultimately, there has to be a First Cause, and that just Is, and is unknowable. We rely on cause and effect as everything does after that essence, but That does not rely on it.

 

[leibowde84]

The analogy worked for its purpose. Ultimately, there has to be a First Cause, and that just Is, and is unknowable. We rely on cause and effect as everything does after that essence, but That does not rely on it.

Then why can't the big bang be the first cause?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Then why can't the big bang be the first cause?

You limit God?

 

[leibowde84]

You limit God?

No, I am merely not assuming the conclusion you are. I am ASKING why, under your logic that there must be an uncalled cause, can't the big bang be considered as the initial cause.

 

[McBell]

Ultimately, there has to be a First Cause, and that just Is,

says who?