You're saying the Ukrainians are war-mongers?
That they're not entitled to defend their own country?
Really?
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War: the Pope says that mankind is in danger; strive for peace
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That they're not entitled to defend their own country?
Really?
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
No, I didn’t say any of that. It might be helpful if you were to stop putting words in my mouth.
I withhold my support from NATO, the US government, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and assorted interested parties. The jury is still out on Zelenskyy. He may be a good servant to his people, time will tell.
I offer unequivocal support to all the innocent victims of war, from Ukraine to Yemen to Gaza, and to all those in Russia with the courage to oppose war and to refuse to fight.
So do I. I want nobody to die in wars.
I side with neither belligerent party in a war.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I side with the defender. Just war in standard Christian understanding.
Honestly I think that's not what Christianity is.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That is another version than yours. My army priest used that one and he was a Christian.
I find since Jesus (since Pentecost) that 'just war......' is: Armageddon ( the last war - Psalms 46:9 )
When the 'sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth' will rid the Earth of wickedness - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15
Jesus nor his followers took sides even between the 'issues of the day' between the Jews and Romans.
Jesus and his followers were politically neutral standing only for God's Kingdom ( thy kingdom come.... ) as the only solution for mankind's problems.
( Daniel 2:44-45 )
We Never Know
No Slack
Man is his own worst enemy
As Jesus and his 1st-century followers were and that neither sided with the political, so do Christians since Pentecost.
We are forewarned that when the powers in charge are saying, " Peace and Security...." that is what will actually prove to be Not peace but the precursor to the coming great tribulation before Jesus takes action.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3; Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 7:14,9; Revelation 19:14-15
Only Jesus the Lord can take action, indeed.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, yet there are Christians, who accept the concept of just war.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
The following springs to mind..
Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see his banners go!
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
King of Kings .. Hallelujah!
Lord of Lords .. Hallelujah!
..and he shall reign for ever and ever.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
- Revelation 19 -
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
The following springs to mind..
Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see his banners go!
I am not sure that one is relevant. Can you give some background of it?
And of course, human history helps you to believe that...
Yes definitely. I believe as a race humanity is gradually maturing, we’ve gone through our childhood and adolescence and now are starting to use our minds and question and reflect on many things. Humanity still has far to go to unite in peace, but I believe we are more a world neighbourhood and collective now than at any time in history.
And yet, oddly, as I just pointed out in the other thread, you don't believe the Baha'i far enough along in its own acceptance of science to accept homosexuals as being as worthy as heterosexuals.
I believe that in time, science will confirm Baha’u’llah’s view but at the moment I personally only see human beings not black or white or atheist or humanist or homosexual just an equal fellow human.
Why are the Ukrainians not the innocent victims of war?
What in your opinion should they have done instead?
Why are you opposed to opposing aggressors?
How does it benefit anyone who opposes war to see people like Putin win?
Please spell it out for me.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Well now, let's see -- when do YOU think murder and hatred began among humans? Any idea?