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Was Islam spread by the sword?
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Indeed. It would have been so much better to go in and kill each an every person that stood in the way of the Allied forces.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
By whatever means necessary. You cannot reason with evil, it does not rest, it will always take over anything it can, and it only respects force which is why these half measures we take these days never solve anything. If we fight we should fight to win. The only thing necessary for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. Obama appears to fight for the sole purpose of saying he threw his hat in the ring.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
1robin
Christian/Baptist
But the prophet and Muslims becomes bad if they fight to win.
I never said that. I said Muhammad had no theological justification for many of his battles. He did not even pretend to in some. Fighting evil is justifiable, raiding caravans to fuel your tyranny is not, nor is beheading prisoners who are no longer a threat to anyone.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And killing the Japanese civilians in their homes in mass destruction isn't evil and is a good deed.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Burma: [3]
Islam is a minority religion in Burma,[1] practiced by 4% of the population, according to the Myanmar official statistics.[2]
History[edit]
Shwe Byin brothers[edit]
Later they also served the king as warriors, even as the special agents to infiltrate the enemy's inner circle. They were famous after they successfully infiltrated the Chinese King Utibua's bodyguards and drawn three lines with white lime on the Utibua's body and also wrote the threatening message on the wall. Because of that event, the mighty powerful Chinese army and the king himself were scared, frightened, alarmed and signed a peace agreement with the Burmese.[27]
Though successful in the Bagan's affair with Utibua, they were finally put to death. It is generally assumed that they refused to contribute in the building of a pagoda at Taung Byone,[27] just north of Mandalay. The brothers' enemies left vacant the spaces for the two bricks so that the king could notice. After a brief inquiry the king ordered to punish the brothers for disobedience but instead of any punishment, they were killed.
The royal raft could not move after that, may be the silent protest against the killing by the friends who were not happy with the execution. The royal sailors at that time were mostly known to be Muslims. The witty, white and black Indian Brahmans, royal consultants interpreted that, the two brothers were loyal faithful servants but unjustly punished, became Nat (spirit) and they pulled the rudder of the royal boat to show their displeasure.
Then only, Anawratha ordered the building of the spirit-palace at Taung Byone and ordered the people to worship the two brothers.[27] This was the clever Royal trick used to be played by the Burmese kings to execute the powerful rivals and posthumously elevated them to the level of Nats or powerful Spirits or local gods, just to please their followers or the people who love the executed heroes.
For five days each year Taung Byone village becomes a fairground. Taung Byone, 14 km (9 mi) north of Mandalay, has about 7,000 nat shrines, nearly 2,000 of them elaborate ones dedicated to the village's famous sonsthe brothers Shwe Byin Gyi and Shwe Byin Lay.[49] Up to the present, the followers or believers worship the shrine and those two brothers. Although all those worshipers are tralatitious Buddhists, they all abstain from eating pork, which is not a custom to Buddhism.
It is a taboo to allow anyone to carry pork on the buses or cars, while going to that spirit festival still celebrating annually and attended by followers all over Burma. We can still see the vacant slot for the two pieces of brick allegedly triggered that tragic prosecution.[50] So they became the first Muslims persecuted in Burma, possibly because of their religious belief.
King Manuhar also had Myanmar Muslim army units and body guards. When King Anawrahta 1044-1077 AD attacked Martaban, capital of Mon (Talaing) King, Manuhar', two Muslim officers' army unit fiercely defended against his attack.[51]
The Shwe Byin brothers served the king as warriors.[52] Returning home, they refused to contribute to the construction of a pagoda at Taung Byone,[53] just north ofMandalay. The king ordered the two brothers to be punished for this disobedience, resulting in their execution.[53] After this, the royal boat would no longer move.Brahmans, royal consultants, interpreted that the two brothers had been loyal servants and were unjustly punished, thus becoming Nat who disabled the boat. To mollify them Anawrahta had the spirit-palace at Taung Byone built, and ordered the people to worship the two brothers.[53] Taung Byone, 14 km (9 mi) north of Mandalay, has about 7,000 nat shrines, of which nearly 2,000 are dedicated to the two Shwe Byin brothers, hosts an annual festival for five days.[7][54]
Islam in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Burma.
Regards
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Burma: [3]
Islam is a minority religion in Burma,[1] practiced by 4% of the population, according to the Myanmar official statistics.[2]
History[edit]
Shwe Byin brothers[edit]
Later they also served the king as warriors, even as the special agents to infiltrate the enemy's inner circle. They were famous after they successfully infiltrated the Chinese King Utibua's bodyguards and drawn three lines with white lime on the Utibua's body and also wrote the threatening message on the wall. Because of that event, the mighty powerful Chinese army and the king himself were scared, frightened, alarmed and signed a peace agreement with the Burmese.[27]
Though successful in the Bagan's affair with Utibua, they were finally put to death. It is generally assumed that they refused to contribute in the building of a pagoda at Taung Byone,[27] just north of Mandalay. The brothers' enemies left vacant the spaces for the two bricks so that the king could notice. After a brief inquiry the king ordered to punish the brothers for disobedience but instead of any punishment, they were killed.
The royal raft could not move after that, may be the silent protest against the killing by the friends who were not happy with the execution. The royal sailors at that time were mostly known to be Muslims. The witty, white and black Indian Brahmans, royal consultants interpreted that, the two brothers were loyal faithful servants but unjustly punished, became Nat (spirit) and they pulled the rudder of the royal boat to show their displeasure.
Then only, Anawratha ordered the building of the spirit-palace at Taung Byone and ordered the people to worship the two brothers.[27] This was the clever Royal trick used to be played by the Burmese kings to execute the powerful rivals and posthumously elevated them to the level of Nats or powerful Spirits or local gods, just to please their followers or the people who love the executed heroes.
For five days each year Taung Byone village becomes a fairground. Taung Byone, 14 km (9 mi) north of Mandalay, has about 7,000 nat shrines, nearly 2,000 of them elaborate ones dedicated to the village's famous sonsthe brothers Shwe Byin Gyi and Shwe Byin Lay.[49] Up to the present, the followers or believers worship the shrine and those two brothers. Although all those worshipers are tralatitious Buddhists, they all abstain from eating pork, which is not a custom to Buddhism.
It is a taboo to allow anyone to carry pork on the buses or cars, while going to that spirit festival still celebrating annually and attended by followers all over Burma. We can still see the vacant slot for the two pieces of brick allegedly triggered that tragic prosecution.[50] So they became the first Muslims persecuted in Burma, possibly because of their religious belief.
King Manuhar also had Myanmar Muslim army units and body guards. When King Anawrahta 1044-1077 AD attacked Martaban, capital of Mon (Talaing) King, Manuhar', two Muslim officers' army unit fiercely defended against his attack.[51]
The Shwe Byin brothers served the king as warriors.[52] Returning home, they refused to contribute to the construction of a pagoda at Taung Byone,[53] just north ofMandalay. The king ordered the two brothers to be punished for this disobedience, resulting in their execution.[53] After this, the royal boat would no longer move.Brahmans, royal consultants, interpreted that the two brothers had been loyal servants and were unjustly punished, thus becoming Nat who disabled the boat. To mollify them Anawrahta had the spirit-palace at Taung Byone built, and ordered the people to worship the two brothers.[53] Taung Byone, 14 km (9 mi) north of Mandalay, has about 7,000 nat shrines, of which nearly 2,000 are dedicated to the two Shwe Byin brothers, hosts an annual festival for five days.[7][54]
Islam in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Burma.
Regards
That's it , you tell us , how many millions (especially westerns) killed in WW1 and WW2 ?
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outhouse
Atheistically
As many as the terrorist in ISIS we are dropping bombs on now?
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Burma: [4]
Islam is a minority religion in Burma,[1] practiced by 4% of the population, according to the Myanmar official statistics.[2]
History[edit]
Nga Yaman Kan[edit]
The King Anawrahta appointed an Indian Muslim [55] as a Royal teacher for his son, Prince Sawlu. That teacher's son later became the Governor of Bago (Pegu) known as Ussa City. His name was Raman Khan.[56] (Known as Nga Yaman Kan in Burmese. Nga was usually put in front of all commoners i.e. not from the Royal family). King Sawlu himself had given the town to his childhood friend, also an adopted brother because they were fed from the same breast as Raman Khan's mother was the wet nurse of Prince Sawlu.[57]
Once Raman Khan won the game of dice, jumped with joy and clapped the elbows. The loser king Sawlu was angry and challenged Rahman Khan to rebel against him with the Bago province, if he was a real man. Raman Khan accepted the challenge, went back to Bago and marched back to Bagan with his army of soldiers on horses and elephants. Rahman and army camped at Pyi Daw Thar Island. He was clever and witty with tactics, even knew the geography and landscape near the enemy's home ground and successfully used them for his advantage. He successfully trapped the famous Kyansittha, King Sawlu and his mighty large Bagan Burmese army in swamps. The whole Bagan army fled. Sawlu was later found and arrested.[58]
Kyanzittha tried to rescue him but Sawlu refused to be rescued. His last fatal miscalculation led him to be killed by Raman Khan. Rahman Khan himself was ambushed by the sniper bow-shot of Nga Sin the hunter and died. Later Kyanzittha became the third king of Bagan Dynasty, and he brought back many Indian-Muslims captives while expanding his empire. They were settled in central Burma.[59]
Sailors and traders[edit]
Beginning in the 7th century, Arab travelers came from Madagascar traveling to China through the East Indian Islands, stopping in Thaton and Martaban.[60] Bago seamen, likely to be Muslims, were also recorded by the Arab historians of the 10th century. Following this, Burmese Muslims sailors and soldiers were reported to have traveled to Malacca during the reign of Sultan Parameswara in the 15th century.[61]
From the fifteenth to seventeenth Centuries, according to mouth histories of Muslims there were a few of uncertain records of Burmese Muslim traders, sailors and settlers on the entire coast of Burma: the Arakan coast (Rakhine), Ayeyarwadydelta and Tanintharyi coast and islands.[3] In the 17th century, Muslims tried to control business and to become powerful. They were appointed Governors of Mergui, Viceroys of the Province of Tenasserim, Port Authorities, Port Governors and Shah-bandars (senior port officials).[62][63][64]
In the chronicles of Malaysia, during the first Malacca Empire of Parameswara in the early 15th century, it was recorded that when Burmese traders and sailors traded in Malacca, Muslims workers were regularly arriving there .[61] Those Bago (Pegu) seamen, likely to be Hindus, were also recorded by the Indian Historians of 10th century. From the 15th to 17th centuries, there were a lot of records of Burmese Hindu traders, sailors and settlers on the whole coast of Burma. That was from Arakan coast (Rakhine), Ayeyarwady delta and Tanintharyi coast (Including all the islands along the whole coast).[65] During Peik Thaung Min (early Bagan dynasty, 652-660 AD), Arab travelers from Madagascar to China through East Indian Islands, visited Thaton and Martaban ports. It was recorded in Arab chronicles in 800 AD.[60]
Because Burma was located at the center of the shipping and trading route starting from Arabia and India, heading towards Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea,Japan and China, the whole of the coast of Burma developed rapidly. Dela, Yangon and Thanlyin (Syriam) became shipyards, depots of goods and markets for exchange of goods. The Hindus dominated all the seaports in Burma and Thailand, at that time.[27]
In the 17th century, those Muslims controlled the business and became powerful because of their wealth. They were even appointed as governors of Mergui, viceroys of Tenasserim, port governors and Shah-bandars (senior port officials).[27][66][67] Muslim sailors built many mosques, but those should be more appropriately called temples as they were equally holy to Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and Chinese.
They were called Buddermokan. ... 'Buddermokan' [68][69][70] in memory to Badral-Din Awliya, a saint. They are found in Akyab, Sandoway and on a small island off Mergui.[27]
Sa Nay Min Gyi King (King Sane) had two flotillas, named "Alarhee" and "Selamat", both are Arabic Islamic names. In 1711, both sides exchanged missionaries was sent by Mughal Emperor Bahadur Shah I. They used the "Alarhee" and the captain was an Arab.[29]
Islam in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Burma.
Regards
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Burma: [4]
Islam is a minority religion in Burma,[1] practiced by 4% of the population, according to the Myanmar official statistics.[2]
History[edit]
Nga Yaman Kan[edit]
The King Anawrahta appointed an Indian Muslim [55] as a Royal teacher for his son, Prince Sawlu. That teacher's son later became the Governor of Bago (Pegu) known as Ussa City. His name was Raman Khan.[56] (Known as Nga Yaman Kan in Burmese. Nga was usually put in front of all commoners i.e. not from the Royal family). King Sawlu himself had given the town to his childhood friend, also an adopted brother because they were fed from the same breast as Raman Khan's mother was the wet nurse of Prince Sawlu.[57]
Once Raman Khan won the game of dice, jumped with joy and clapped the elbows. The loser king Sawlu was angry and challenged Rahman Khan to rebel against him with the Bago province, if he was a real man. Raman Khan accepted the challenge, went back to Bago and marched back to Bagan with his army of soldiers on horses and elephants. Rahman and army camped at Pyi Daw Thar Island. He was clever and witty with tactics, even knew the geography and landscape near the enemy's home ground and successfully used them for his advantage. He successfully trapped the famous Kyansittha, King Sawlu and his mighty large Bagan Burmese army in swamps. The whole Bagan army fled. Sawlu was later found and arrested.[58]
Kyanzittha tried to rescue him but Sawlu refused to be rescued. His last fatal miscalculation led him to be killed by Raman Khan. Rahman Khan himself was ambushed by the sniper bow-shot of Nga Sin the hunter and died. Later Kyanzittha became the third king of Bagan Dynasty, and he brought back many Indian-Muslims captives while expanding his empire. They were settled in central Burma.[59]
Sailors and traders[edit]
Beginning in the 7th century, Arab travelers came from Madagascar traveling to China through the East Indian Islands, stopping in Thaton and Martaban.[60] Bago seamen, likely to be Muslims, were also recorded by the Arab historians of the 10th century. Following this, Burmese Muslims sailors and soldiers were reported to have traveled to Malacca during the reign of Sultan Parameswara in the 15th century.[61]
From the fifteenth to seventeenth Centuries, according to mouth histories of Muslims there were a few of uncertain records of Burmese Muslim traders, sailors and settlers on the entire coast of Burma: the Arakan coast (Rakhine), Ayeyarwadydelta and Tanintharyi coast and islands.[3] In the 17th century, Muslims tried to control business and to become powerful. They were appointed Governors of Mergui, Viceroys of the Province of Tenasserim, Port Authorities, Port Governors and Shah-bandars (senior port officials).[62][63][64]
In the chronicles of Malaysia, during the first Malacca Empire of Parameswara in the early 15th century, it was recorded that when Burmese traders and sailors traded in Malacca, Muslims workers were regularly arriving there .[61] Those Bago (Pegu) seamen, likely to be Hindus, were also recorded by the Indian Historians of 10th century. From the 15th to 17th centuries, there were a lot of records of Burmese Hindu traders, sailors and settlers on the whole coast of Burma. That was from Arakan coast (Rakhine), Ayeyarwady delta and Tanintharyi coast (Including all the islands along the whole coast).[65] During Peik Thaung Min (early Bagan dynasty, 652-660 AD), Arab travelers from Madagascar to China through East Indian Islands, visited Thaton and Martaban ports. It was recorded in Arab chronicles in 800 AD.[60]
Because Burma was located at the center of the shipping and trading route starting from Arabia and India, heading towards Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea,Japan and China, the whole of the coast of Burma developed rapidly. Dela, Yangon and Thanlyin (Syriam) became shipyards, depots of goods and markets for exchange of goods. The Hindus dominated all the seaports in Burma and Thailand, at that time.[27]
In the 17th century, those Muslims controlled the business and became powerful because of their wealth. They were even appointed as governors of Mergui, viceroys of Tenasserim, port governors and Shah-bandars (senior port officials).[27][66][67] Muslim sailors built many mosques, but those should be more appropriately called temples as they were equally holy to Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and Chinese.
They were called Buddermokan. ... 'Buddermokan' [68][69][70] in memory to Badral-Din Awliya, a saint. They are found in Akyab, Sandoway and on a small island off Mergui.[27]
Sa Nay Min Gyi King (King Sane) had two flotillas, named "Alarhee" and "Selamat", both are Arabic Islamic names. In 1711, both sides exchanged missionaries was sent by Mughal Emperor Bahadur Shah I. They used the "Alarhee" and the captain was an Arab.[29]
Islam in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Burma.
Regards
You failed to answser a historic simple question ?
How about 60 millions westerns killed by westerns ?
outhouse
Atheistically
And? have a point?
This was not like islam where they kill each other over religion alone. :slap:
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
What a silly reply.
outhouse
Atheistically
So here the muslim was a sore LOSER and used a sword, and paid the price!
You fail at admitting the use of sword by pathetic loser and his chicken army
1robin
Christian/Baptist
West is a direction not a theology.
false
what is the religion of the western whom killed by western in WW2 ? were not most of them christains ?
outhouse
Atheistically
were they fighting for religion like muslim?
or country fighting evil people?
never mind, trying to reason with a brick wall is pointless.
I know , add this info
Cultural
"The West" often refers to Western civilization, or to nations in Western Europe and the Americas. During the Cold War "the West" was often used to refer to the NATO camp as opposed to the Warsaw Pact and non-aligned nations. The expression survives, with an increasingly ambiguous meaning.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Actually that is kind of a weird case.And killing the Japanese civilians in their homes in mass destruction isn't evil and is a good deed.
1. There were few innocents in Japan. Almost all fanatically supported the war effort and worshiped the emperor like a God. They literally believed they had a divine mandate to take over the world. Sound familiar?
2. We could not break their will to fight by simply targeting soldiers in an efficient manner. They were building munitions in their homes. It took carpet bombing everything to stop the maniacal war crimes and tyranny practiced by Japan on every neighbor it could dominate.
3. Time was also a factor. You can't spend billions forever nor expect mothers to give up sons forever. Some balance between being humane and be able to accomplish the task mandated by your enemy without justification must be maintained. I am sure mistakes were made but humanitarian considerations were part of all decision the US made and not part of Japanese decision making. They terrorized and maximized civilian damage without any military justification.
4. Technology was also a factor. We only had access to what existed. Bomb sites are only so accurate, soldiers can only tolerate seeing so many people raped and tortured before becoming vengeful, intelligence only so accurate.
5. There is one thing necessary for Japan to have never had a bomb dropped on a single house. They should not have attacked pearl harbor without reason.
It is just plain spooky how often you defend tyrants and accuse liberators in defense of Islam.
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