Was Islam spread by the sword?

[paarsurrey]

@Subhankar Zac
I understand that your were previously a Christian. What was wrong with Christianity that you left it? Please
Please don't answer if don't want to disclose a personal thing.
Regards

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Islam/Quran/Muhammad were peaceful from day one

That's a lie.

 

[paarsurrey]

That's a lie.

Please prove it from the day he was appointed a prophet upto the day he migrated to Medina from a reliable source of that time. Will one please?
Please
Regards

 

[Subhankar Zac]

@Subhankar Zac
I understand that your were previously a Christian. What was wrong with Christianity that you left it? Please
Please don't answer if don't want to disclose a personal thing.
Regards

Abrahamic faiths have been manipulated by the people for political control.
Majority of Christians today remains highly and dangerously illiterate and embedded in dogmatic faith.
Christianity lacks basic reason for any argument and is based on fear.
It is the largest religion to have made the most slaughter, second being islam.
I couldn't see myself as a part of these jokes anytime again ever.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Please prove it from the day he was appointed a prophet upto the day he migrated to Medina from a reliable source of that time. Will one please?
Please
Regards

Why am I restricted to such a narrow time frame? Is it because you know I can provide examples of Muslim aggression outside of that period and just want to avoid that?

There are Muslim sources which describe the battle of Hunain and the siege of Ta'if - both of which are offensive actions. This website cites one.

http://www.alim.org/library/biography/khalifa/content/KAB/6/2

Islam spread via aggression early on. Muhammad did not engage purely in defensive actions. Stop trying to deceive us.

 

[paarsurrey]

Abrahamic faiths have been manipulated by the people for political control.
Majority of Christians today remains highly and dangerously illiterate and embedded in dogmatic faith.
Christianity lacks basic reason for any argument and is based on fear.
It is the largest religion to have made the most slaughter, second being islam.
I couldn't see myself as a part of these jokes anytime again ever.

There is no religion as Abrahamic faiths, our religion started from Adam.
Regards

 

[Subhankar Zac]

There is no religion as Abrahamic faiths, our religion started from Adam.
Regards

Then the Adamian religions are manipulated. Plus you're a Muslim and the question was about Christianity

 

[atanu]

Islam/Quran/Muhammad were peaceful from day one, which started in Mecca, if not earlier in times of Adam.
The vedic time starts rather generates in war :

"Internecine military conflicts between the various tribes of Vedic Aryans are also described in the Rig Veda. Most notable of such conflicts was the Battle of Ten Kings, which took place on the banks of the river Parushni (modern day Ravi).[note 5] The battle was fought between the tribe Bharatas, led by their chief Sudas, against a confederation of ten tribes— Puru, Yadu, Turvasha, Anu, Druhyu, Alina, Bhalanas,Paktha, Siva, Vishanin.[38] Bharatas lived around the upper regions of the river Saraswati, while Purus, their western neighbours, lived along the lower regions of Saraswati. The other tribes dwelt north-west of the Bharatas in the region of Punjab.[39] Division of the waters of Ravi could have been a reason for the war.[38] The confederation of tribes tried to inundate the Bharatas by opening the embankments of Ravi, yet Sudas emerged victorious in the Battle of Ten Kings.[40] Purukutsa, the chief of Purus, was killed in the battle and the Bharatas and the Purus merged into a new tribe Kuru after the war.[39]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_period

So Hinduism generated in war. Right?
Regards

Mr. Parsurrey you rely on an literal academic-materialistic opinion of Vedas from Wiki to prove your point?

OTOH, right after Prophet Muhammad's passing away, two groups fought bloodily and split Islam into two eternally fighting factions. And you know very well the state of Ahmediyas too.

So, ... These discussions grow out of ego and hatred and offer nothing for true solace of anyone. What will anyone gain by spreading propaganda, if there is no peace in mind?

 

[paarsurrey]

Both Christianity and Islam spread by mass war crimes.
Christianity after gaining control of Europe by killing and forcefully converting the pagans to Christianity, later wiped out natives of America, tried to forcefully convert people of Goa, India and also their internal conflicts that slaughtered millions.
Islam since day one, was about convertion to the "Most true-est" religion on earth.
Christian Egypt and Iraq became under Islam. Later they entered in India as the Mughals destroyed Hindu shrines and constructed their mosques over it.
Killed many Hindus who didnt convert, forced the tax on non Muslim, buddhism was virtually wiped out in India almost by Islamic fanatics and indian kings
Apart from the Mughal emperor, Akbar who was highly accepting of other religions, other Islamic kings continued to convert to Islam forcefully.
Though Hindus were also to be blamed for their grotesque system of caste that created many many lower caste people who converted to Islam at their own will.
But others, they had to be forced into.
2 Sikh gurus were killed by these fanatics.

So, in terms of truth, YES, both religions spread by the sword.
But if we are being politically correct, Islam is the most peaceful religion on earth, way more than Jainism surely.
:/

What about Hinduism? It generated in war and many wars were fought later. One such war is battle of Kalinga :

All for peace:SELINE AUGUSTINE:June 18, 2015

Illustration: Sreejith R.Kumar
Ashoka was the grandson of Chandragupta Maurya and was ruthless in eliminating his half-brothers in order to capture the throne. He was the first king to attack Kalinga (present-day Odisha).
He emerged victorious. But the river nearby turned crimson with the blood of slain soldiers numbering over 1,00,000. The haunting sight of countless women and children weeping over the dead moved him deeply. He resolved never to wage a war again.
http://www.thehindu.com/features/kids/battle-of-kalinga-all-for-peace/article7329361.ece
For full details, please, access the above link.
The wars were fought for different reasons in the human history, but Muhammad fought no war to converts others to Islam. He did not need to do it, he was never trained to wage a war. War was thrust on him, so he had to defend the life of his followers and to establish freedom of religion. He did it successfully. To defend one;s life is one's right. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Subhankar Zac]

What about Hinduism? It generated in war and many wars were fought later. One such war is battle of Kalinga :

All for peace:SELINE AUGUSTINE:June 18, 2015

Illustration: Sreejith R.Kumar
Ashoka was the grandson of Chandragupta Maurya and was ruthless in eliminating his half-brothers in order to capture the throne. He was the first king to attack Kalinga (present-day Odisha).
He emerged victorious. But the river nearby turned crimson with the blood of slain soldiers numbering over 1,00,000. The haunting sight of countless women and children weeping over the dead moved him deeply. He resolved never to wage a war again.
http://www.thehindu.com/features/kids/battle-of-kalinga-all-for-peace/article7329361.ece
For full details, please, access the above link.
The wars were fought for different reasons in the human history, but Muhammad fought no war to converts others to Islam. He did not need to do it, he was never trained to wage a war. War was thrust on him, so he had to defend the life of his followers and to establish freedom of religion. He did it successfully. To defend one;s life is one's right. Right? Please
Regards

What about Hinduism? It generated in war and many wars were fought later. One such war is battle of Kalinga :

All for peace:SELINE AUGUSTINE:June 18, 2015

Illustration: Sreejith R.Kumar
Ashoka was the grandson of Chandragupta Maurya and was ruthless in eliminating his half-brothers in order to capture the throne. He was the first king to attack Kalinga (present-day Odisha).
He emerged victorious. But the river nearby turned crimson with the blood of slain soldiers numbering over 1,00,000. The haunting sight of countless women and children weeping over the dead moved him deeply. He resolved never to wage a war again.
http://www.thehindu.com/features/kids/battle-of-kalinga-all-for-peace/article7329361.ece
For full details, please, access the above link.
The wars were fought for different reasons in the human history, but Muhammad fought no war to converts others to Islam. He did not need to do it, he was never trained to wage a war. War was thrust on him, so he had to defend the life of his followers and to establish freedom of religion. He did it successfully. To defend one;s life is one's right. Right? Please
Regards

Sometimes the replies are so blood boilingly stupid that it's hard to even comprehend the starting point of the logical fallacies.
Such shamelessness that lies in your beginning point really shows the trend of it entirely.

1. I gave my opinion of a faith of terror.
You started (by your own Will) began Blaming Christianity instead of man up and defend your religion.
Then after the next reply, WITHOUT ANY DEFENSE, you point at ethnic war by kings that had nothing to do with religion.
Yet nothing to defend your faith but lies.

2. If we are including ethnic war, then the attacks of Jews and Christians will be classified as of Islam itself.
Islam continued the crusades, inquisition, witch-hunts, etc.
Two can play this game.

3. Know your arguments. It's your job to be a guru or a tool, but then if you are going to be the next one, do not waste my time by replying.
You have no defense, not one, other than just lashing out at other religions that too nothing accurate, NOT EVEN ONE.
I m talking about attempts to convert and you're war for gaining territory.


If you are going to simply troll here, end the chat since you've lost all your arguments and have given nothing but false and poorly constructed logical errors on all basis.

Don't transcend the normal limits of illiteracy. I m assuming you're not 9 years old. So either dont join in if you're going to be a troll, an illiterate or are simply here to make a joke.
DON'T REPLY IF YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP ON TROLLING.

 

[paarsurrey]

Sometimes the replies are so blood boilingly stupid that it's hard to even comprehend the starting point of the logical fallacies.
Such shamelessness that lies in your beginning point really shows the trend of it entirely.
1. I gave my opinion of a faith of terror.
You started (by your own Will) began Blaming Christianity instead of man up and defend your religion.
Then after the next reply, WITHOUT ANY DEFENSE, you point at ethnic war by kings that had nothing to do with religion.
Yet nothing to defend your faith but lies.
2. If we are including ethnic war, then the attacks of Jews and Christians will be classified as of Islam itself.
Islam continued the crusades, inquisition, witch-hunts, etc.
Two can play this game.
3. Know your arguments. It's your job to be a guru or a tool, but then if you are going to be the next one, do not waste my time by replying.
You have no defense, not one, other than just lashing out at other religions that too nothing accurate, NOT EVEN ONE.
I m talking about attempts to convert and you're war for gaining territory.
If you are going to simply troll here, end the chat since you've lost all your arguments and have given nothing but false and poorly constructed logical errors on all basis.
Don't transcend the normal limits of illiteracy. I m assuming you're not 9 years old. So either dont join in if you're going to be a troll, an illiterate or are simply here to make a joke.
DON'T REPLY IF YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP ON TROLLING.

(Only that what is colored in magenta)

Muhammad/Quran/Islam gave no teaching to wage war to get others to convert to his religion, and Muhammad did exactly according to this and he did never force anybody to convert to his religion. He never needed it, Islam/Quran is full of simple, easy to understand and reasonable arguments that convince on, heart and soul, of Islam's truthfulness .
So why wage war? Islam spreads fast in the time of peace and war is a hindrance to its progress.
So, please don't get upset, no need to.
Regards

 

[atanu]

Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
Islam did not spread by sword. In fact sword is a hindrance in the way of spread of Islam. Quran provides both commandments and the gist of wisdom of the same; this peculiarity is not retained in book of any other revealed religion.Islam flourishes most in peace with its strong reasonable and rational arguments.
For example:

Peaceful Spread of Islam in Denmark: [2]

The Great Mosque of Copenhagen inCopenhagen is one of the largest mosques inDenmark.

Thousands of Danish Converts to Islam

Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:230,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] :4.1
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] :< 0.1
Muslim Population Other Sources : -

Denmark[34]
5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe". Pew Research Center. Retrieved 2016-01-24
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Islam spread peacefully in Denmark.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards

Yeah Regards. You must change your signature line banner.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

(Only that what is colored in magenta)

Muhammad/Quran/Islam gave no teaching to wage war to get others to convert to his religion, and Muhammad did exactly according to this and he did never force anybody to convert to his religion. He never needed it, Islam/Quran is full of simple, easy to understand and reasonable arguments that convince on, heart and soul, of Islam's truthfulness .
So why wage war? Islam spreads fast in the time of peace and war is a hindrance to its progress.
So, please don't get upset, no need to.
Regards

Islam is war, Islam is hate and Islam is everything you deny out of personal ignorance and since it is bound to become a loop, so, it is what it is.

 

[paarsurrey]

Islam is war, Islam is hate and Islam is everything you deny out of personal ignorance and since it is bound to become a loop, so, it is what it is.

Please read the following in post #3444:
"In addition, some ethnic Danes have converted to Islam; an estimated 2,800 Danes have converted and about seventy Danes convert every year.[10]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Denmark
What war makes the Danes to convert to Islam? Please
Regards

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Please read the following in post #3444:
"In addition, some ethnic Danes have converted to Islam; an estimated 2,800 Danes have converted and about seventy Danes convert every year.[10]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Denmark
What war makes the Danes to convert to Islam? Please
Regards

Islam is war, Islam is hate and Islam is everything you deny out of personal ignorance and since it is bound to become a loop, so, it is what it is.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

There is no religion as Abrahamic faiths, our religion started from Adam.
Regards

No it didn't. You're co-opting the Jewish creation story in order to give your religion legitimacy as an Abrahamic tradition. There is no mention of a god called 'Allah' in Jewish scriptures. He is a god whose cult originated in Arabia and gained power & influence through violence and repression of the cults of other gods, nothing more. You're engaging in very hypocritical behaviour.

Islam began with Muhammad. The only way it could be said to have existed before Muhammad is if Muslims retroactively attach their own faith to the key figures of Judaism & Christianity - and in some cases to the key figures of other belief systems while cynically twisting their messages.

@RabbiO , @Flankerl , @rosends sorry to not-surprise you. Here's parrsurrey co-opting your scripture in one thread while calling it "so called Judaism" and "wrong practices" in another thread.

 

[paarsurrey]

No it didn't. You're co-opting the Jewish creation story in order to give your religion legitimacy as an Abrahamic tradition. There is no mention of a god called 'Allah' in Jewish scriptures. He is a god whose cult originated in Arabia and gained power & influence through violence and repression of the cults of other gods, nothing more. You're engaging in very hypocritical behaviour.

Islam began with Muhammad. The only way it could be said to have existed before Muhammad is if Muslims retroactively attach their own faith to the key figures of Judaism & Christianity - and in some cases to the key figures of other belief systems while cynically twisting their messages.

@RabbiO , @Flankerl , @rosends sorry to not-surprise you. Here's parrsurrey co-opting your scripture in one thread while calling it "so called Judaism" and "wrong practices" in another thread.

They know "Judaism" , neither Moses adopted this name for his religion nor Abraham. Right? Please
Regard

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

They know "Judaism" , neither Moses adopted this name for his religion nor Abraham. Right? Please
Regard

Judaism is an English word and English didn't exist in the time or area when Moses nor Abraham existed. If you get anywhere near making a point let me know.

 

[Peter Stone]

What is strange about this religion is that Jesus and his mother are talked about. You see the doctrine of Jesus is about how to go to heaven by free will and submission to God through giving yourself to other as you love yourself. Islam has a lot of controlling of people like some kind of political doctrine. Control is power Jesus specifically showed the devil using power as his tool during his temptations during fasting telling him to change form of things and telling him he can have lands and heavens. I see this a lot in this book and would consider staying clear of this book. You need to understand true love to understand god and only controlling your own desires and wants is the only need to creating love for eternal life and to be able to do this is to understand absorbing others pains and suffering will take you to heaven not to create pain and suffering and this happens when others absorb your own desires.

 

[paarsurrey]

A Greased Scotsman said: ↑
No it didn't. You're co-opting the Jewish creation story in order to give your religion legitimacy as an Abrahamic tradition. There is no mention of a god called 'Allah' in Jewish scriptures. He is a god whose cult originated in Arabia and gained power & influence through violence and repression of the cults of other gods, nothing more. You're engaging in very hypocritical behaviour.

Islam began with Muhammad. The only way it could be said to have existed before Muhammad is if Muslims retroactively attach their own faith to the key figures of Judaism & Christianity - and in some cases to the key figures of other belief systems while cynically twisting their messages.

@RabbiO , @Flankerl , @rosends sorry to not-surprise you. Here's parrsurrey co-opting your scripture in one thread while calling it "so called Judaism" and "wrong practices" in another thread.

Judaism is an English word and English didn't exist in the time or area when Moses nor Abraham existed. If you get anywhere near making a point let me know.

Please quote from Torah, or they quote, where name of religion of @RabbiO , @Flankerl , @rosends has been mentioned by Moses. Right?
No compulsion however whatsoever, please
Regards