Was Muhammad a good man?

[1robin]

I'll start another thread related to racial profiling and you're more than welcome to contribute to it. The last things I'll say in response on this thread are:
Yes, I am a minority, and have experienced racial profiling firsthand. I'm not trying to play the victim, merely stating the fact that racial profiling does in fact exist and is extremely prevalent in American police forces.

I do agree with you that the race card gets played excessively in the employment market, but that has no bearing on the truth of racial targeting by police.

You claim to be a Native American, yet say that black people have advantages you don't. As a federally registered Native, I know Natives get all the same affirmative action benefits any other ethnic minority group does. We also get benefits that others don't.

I would respond to the rest of your post, but that would only further derail this one. If you wish to discuss this issue further with me, do it in this thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...acial-profiling-arrest-rates.html#post3426991

I do not know that I can fit another thread into the time I have. I am a registered member of the black Cherokee foot tribe. I have never received a single advantage because of it. My employers (only one) get a little credit for having me but I never list my Indian status on an application. I have not ever used it to attempt to acquire any advantage except for once. I asked if I qualified for any school money and was told no, not on that basis.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I do not know that I can fit another thread into the time I have. I am a registered member of the black Cherokee foot tribe. I have never received a single advantage because of it. My employers (only one) get a little credit for having me but I never list my Indian status on an application. I have not ever used it to attempt to acquire any advantage except for once. I asked if I qualified for any school money and was told no, not on that basis.

Black Cherokee foot tribe? Do you mean you're Cherokee and Blackfoot? Or you're black and Cherokee and like to walk?

 

[1robin]

I wouldn't agree with any percentage either; that's not really something one can apply a number too, but the point stands. The Qu'ran is far from the only teaching tool used in Islam, and is not used as often as the hadiths.

Like you said it would be hard to put a number on but a general summary given the hundreds of hours of Islamic debates I have viewed plus the debates I have had, I would put it at about 90% Quran and 10% all else. Plus the Quran is final in all disputes and 95% of hadiths are available to most Muslim's. Depending on how you judge them I think there have been over 100,000 of them.

 

[1robin]

Black Cherokee foot tribe? Do you mean you're Cherokee and Blackfoot? Or you're black and Cherokee and like to walk?

My feet are rather dark and I can spell Cherokee. Just kidding. I will type what is on my official Indian card. It seems I was mistaken. I am a member of the Echota tribe of the Cherokee nation, and I want my casino. I wish I were a Sioux. They were terribly violent but they were granted a bunch of money by the US government for the Black Hills which they killed off all the original tribes that settled there and stole. It has been sitting in a trust (or should have been if Obama has not stolen it to pay off senators to vote for health care) and has never been claimed because of their pride. I think it is in the hundreds of millions by now due to interest. I have no pride, so if I was only a Sioux I would betray my sacred hatred for White people and apply for my part. Therefore Muhammad was a bad man. For the thread police.

 

[Xaseui]

And yet there are many other hadiths that indicate otherwise and therefore contradict the hadiths o 6/9.

So which ones are unathentic, and why?!?!?

There are no hadiths which mention anything other than 6 and 9.
If there are (quote them), that evidence is much weak compared to 6 and 9.

As I mentioned: MULTIPLE Sahih hadiths prove Muhammad had sex with 9 year old Aisha when he was 54.

You understand what "multiple Sahih" means, right?

 

[Assad91]

There are no hadiths which mention anything other than 6 and 9.
If there are (quote them), that evidence is much weak compared to 6 and 9.

As I mentioned: MULTIPLE Sahih hadiths prove Muhammad had sex with 9 year old Aisha when he was 54.

You understand what "multiple Sahih" means, right?

Please show how the other hadiths that imply a different age, are weak, because, as you think a "sahih" collection is all authentic, then these other evidences are not weak.

Unless, you have an actual reason to declare them weak

 

[Assad91]

BTW, unlike you X, I already gave proof and reason as to why the Aisha hadiths of being 6 ad 9 are weak.

Where is your proof, bra? LOL

 

[Me Myself]

I didn`t find the "I dont know" option so I lied.

 

[garrydons]

it is hard to answer if Mohammad was a good man because we dont live at the same time. In other words our answer will be based on what was recorded. For sure there are history books which would tell us if Mohammad was a good man. So I encourage everybody to just study history to know about the character of Mohammad.

 

[1robin]

it is hard to answer if Mohammad was a good man because we dont live at the same time. In other words our answer will be based on what was recorded. For sure there are history books which would tell us if Mohammad was a good man. So I encourage everybody to just study history to know about the character of Mohammad.

Lopping off heads of people that were bound and no threat by the hundreds, killing poets, raiding caravans for money, and going into fits that resemble demonic possession when Muhammad said he received revelation all the while being unable to produce any signs or wonders to prove his prophet hood, are definitely on the bad end of the scale no matter what year it is.

 

[Assad91]

Lopping off heads of people that were bound and no threat by the hundreds, killing poets, raiding caravans for money, and going into fits that resemble demonic possession when Muhammad said he received revelation all the while being unable to produce any signs or wonders to prove his prophet hood, are definitely on the bad end of the scale no matter what year it is.

Sounds like you're describing Christian history! lol

 

[Question_love_act]

To condemn a religion for wars and sexism is absurd.

I found this quote in Google of an obscure Hebraic prophet that illustrates this idea: "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone!"

 

[YmirGF]

To condemn a religion for wars and sexism is absurd.

I found this quote in Google of an obscure Hebraic prophet that illustrates this idea: "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone!"

A little closer to home,
"She who lives in glass houses should not throw stones."


I do find it amusing that 11.54% chose "He was a great man and those who insult him must be punished!"

I wonder where they get that idea from? Hmmmm.... It's coming to me...

 

[1robin]

Sounds like you're describing Christian history! lol

Oh yea, there have certainly been Christian atrocities. However those that committed them were not claimed to be sinless and 99% of them not even a prophet much less the final one. I have been on record condemning countless Christian mistakes but they did not make the claims Muhammad did. The average crusader was a murder, thief, and sinful in every extreme. However he did not write any of the Bible, claim to be sinless, or to be a prophet of God.

 

[1robin]

To condemn a religion for wars and sexism is absurd.

I found this quote in Google of an obscure Hebraic prophet that illustrates this idea: "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone!"

Claiming those who are sinful should not throw rocks at a women in an attempt to kill her has nothing to do with an exceedingly sinful man, self-proclaimed prophet who bore symptoms of demonic influence, and a religion that could not convince anyone during it's first 12 peaceful years but who converted 100s of thousands the moment blood and loot first began to flow have no connection with each other.

 

[Assad91]

Oh yea, there have certainly been Christian atrocities. However those that .

Not interested in your apologetics.

What you have to say about the sons of Israel killing a whole town? What about Israelites killing whole towns at the order of god? What about Davids expeditions?

Pfft, keep your dirty nose down to bro

Your own book shows Prophets have been orderd to kill and raid.

 

[Assad91]

A little closer to home,
"She who lives in glass houses should not throw stones."


I do find it amusing that 11.54% chose "He was a great man and those who insult him must be punished!"

I wonder where they get that idea from? Hmmmm.... It's coming to me...

I find it amusing some people thought every one who voted such did it seriously :biglaugh:

 

[YmirGF]

I find it amusing some people thought every one who voted such did it seriously :biglaugh:

Yeah. Now I understand why so many picked the moderate choices. They weren't serious. That does explain much.

 

[1robin]

I find it amusing some people thought every one who voted such did it seriously :biglaugh:

What?

 

[YmirGF]

What?

Interestingly enough, 58.97 % (to date) don't think he was such a great guy. Go figure.