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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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djhwoodwerks
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Have you ever looked at John 1:1 in the Greek interlinear Bible? And not the one published by the JW's, they get their translation from Johannes Greber.
kjw47
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Jesus real teachers get--HS.
The Pharisees condemned Jesus and his apostles for not attending the schools of men--they didn't need to they had--HS.
Catholicism is responsible for trinity translations--every one of them.
djhwoodwerks
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It is true. I posted 3 articles they quoted Greber and there are more, but I can't get the books, so I won't post them. That is why they asked that soft bar question in the 1983 Watchtower, so they could pretend they just found out about Greber.
djhwoodwerks
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Jn 10:26-33 (ESVST) . 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father 's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?" 33 The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."
The Pharisees condemned Jesus because they new exactly what He was saying. The WT are just like the Pharisees, the deny the deity of Jesus.
djhwoodwerks
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Jn 5:18 (ESVST) 18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
How is it when a couple is married they become one flesh?
djhwoodwerks
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Phi 2:5-7 (ESVST) in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
djhwoodwerks
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Thank you!!
How can 8 created, mortal MEN who are confined by time and space be a "COMPOSITE" slave, and God, Immortal, all powerful, not bound by time and space not exist as a "COMPOSITE" God? I can not grasp their line of thinking. Someone says God exists as 3 persons in one being and that is blasphemy, but 8 men say they exist as 1 being and praise God for the slave.
A married couple is still two distinct people even though The Bible calls them one flesh. So I wasn't agreeing with you. I am disagreeing.
Jesus and Jehovah can be "one" like a man and a woman can be "one".
djhwoodwerks
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Oh, lol!
kjw47
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reality--- every single thing the Pharisees said about Jesus was a pure lie. including saying he was making himself God. Right in your post, Jesus told them all the works he did was from the Father---not his own. Your teachers twist all of it.
Yes they are one in purpose, and Gods word goes onto say all will become one with them---in purpose---that purpose is --living to do Gods will--only those who do get to enter Gods kingdom( be saved) Matt 7:21
djhwoodwerks
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Will Christ return in a manner visible to human eyes? Reasoning from the Scripture pages 341 - 342
John 14:19: “A little longer and the world will behold me no more, but you [Jesus’ faithful apostles] will behold me, because I live and you will live.” (Jesus had promised his apostles that he would come again and take them to heaven to be with him. They could see him because they would be spirit creatures as he is. But the world would not see him again. Compare 1 Timothy 6:16.)
This is from the JW's own literature. They use this verse to argue that not everyone will see Jesus when He returns. Notice the "Compare" verse 1Timothy 6:16
1Ti 6:15-16 (ESVST) 16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. (No one has ever seen Jesus??)
1Ti 1:16-17 (ESVST) . 17 To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.
Psa 104:1-2 (ESVST) You are clothed with splendor and majesty, 2 covering yourself with light as with a garment
Jn 1:18 (ESVST) 18 No one has ever seen God;
What are they inferring with 1Timothy 6:16?
Are they applying the attributes of God to Jesus?
Are they saying since Jesus dwells in God's unapproachable light that no one will see Him?
John 14:19: “A little longer and the world will behold me no more, but you [Jesus’ faithful apostles] will behold me, because I live and you will live.” (Jesus had promised his apostles that he would come again and take them to heaven to be with him. They could see him because they would be spirit creatures as he is. But the world would not see him again. Compare 1 Timothy 6:16.)
This is from the JW's own literature. They use this verse to argue that not everyone will see Jesus when He returns. Notice the "Compare" verse 1Timothy 6:16
1Ti 6:15-16 (ESVST) 16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. (No one has ever seen Jesus??)
1Ti 1:16-17 (ESVST) . 17 To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.
Psa 104:1-2 (ESVST) You are clothed with splendor and majesty, 2 covering yourself with light as with a garment
Jn 1:18 (ESVST) 18 No one has ever seen God;
What are they inferring with 1Timothy 6:16?
Are they applying the attributes of God to Jesus?
Are they saying since Jesus dwells in God's unapproachable light that no one will see Him?
djhwoodwerks
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So they were lying when they thought that Jesus was making Himself equal with God? They didn't really think that?
The lie is Jesus made himself equal with God.
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Mountain_Climber
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Well, be that as it may be, when you pick up your Bible you have two very thorough witnesses right in your hand. Now you can get lost in trying to be an intellectual if you wish, and keep on searching for two other more highly sophisticated witnesses if that is what you desire to do.
As for me, I choose not to overlook the two powerful witnesses I hold right in my hand. And I know that rather than for me to try to reinterpret scripture all I need do is to search for the truth in their agreement like searching for hid treasures. I do not interpret treasure. When I find it I know what it is because those two witnesses have agreed and thus pinpointed that treasure for me. All I am left to do is to either accept or reject it. They have interpreted for me by their agreeing upon it.
Unfortunately, many are caught in the trap of using their own wisdom and are rewriting the Bible without even realizing that is what they are doing..
djhwoodwerks
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The Watchtower couldn't find any Christian religion to back their beliefs so they turned to a spirit medium.
JG: Inasmuch as God possesses shape and personality, He is not omnipresent ... as a personified spirit He is not everywhere. (p.261)
WT: The true God is not omnipresent, for he is spoken of as having a location. (Insight on the Scriptures p.969)
JG: You have plenty of proof that I am a truthful spirit ... When I tell you that God has no foreknowledge of the voluntary actions of men, I am not detracting from His greatness. ... such unerring foreknowledge is possessed by no spirit, nor even by God Himself. (p. 263,265)
WT: Jehovah has the ability to foreknow events, but the Bible shows that he makes selective and discretionary use of that ability ... (Reasoning from the Scriptures p.141)
JG: Christ is the highest of the spirits created by God and the sole one to be created directly. ... Christ Himself was not God, but only the first of God’s sons. ... Christ is the highest spirit which the omnipotent God could create. Christ ... is the first created “son of God”, and as such, His highest and most perfect Creature. (p. 301, 267)
WT: Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his first-born Son. (Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 p.52) ... This means that [Jesus] was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God. (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p. 58)
JG: Christ was therefore the Son of God, and claimed to be nothing more. He was not the Deity. Not once did he say: “I am God.” (p. 330)
WT: Well, did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did. Rather, in the Bible he is called “God’s Son.” (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p.39 Christ is God’s Agent in Creation, Not the Creator)
JG: You teach the union of three persons in one Godhead ... This is a piece of human fallacy and is an absurdity. (p.265) ... Christ taught a unipersonalist God ... He knows of no triune God of Whom the Catholic and other Christian denomonations teach. Only the Father is God. (p. 364)
WT: The reason the Bible does not clearly teach the Trinity doctrine is simple: It is not a Bible teaching. Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear so that Jesus and his disciples could have taught it to others. And that vital information would have been included in God’s inspired Word. It would not have been left to imperfect men to struggle with centuries later. (Watchtower 11/1/91 p.23)
I can go on and on.
JG: Inasmuch as God possesses shape and personality, He is not omnipresent ... as a personified spirit He is not everywhere. (p.261)
WT: The true God is not omnipresent, for he is spoken of as having a location. (Insight on the Scriptures p.969)
JG: You have plenty of proof that I am a truthful spirit ... When I tell you that God has no foreknowledge of the voluntary actions of men, I am not detracting from His greatness. ... such unerring foreknowledge is possessed by no spirit, nor even by God Himself. (p. 263,265)
WT: Jehovah has the ability to foreknow events, but the Bible shows that he makes selective and discretionary use of that ability ... (Reasoning from the Scriptures p.141)
JG: Christ is the highest of the spirits created by God and the sole one to be created directly. ... Christ Himself was not God, but only the first of God’s sons. ... Christ is the highest spirit which the omnipotent God could create. Christ ... is the first created “son of God”, and as such, His highest and most perfect Creature. (p. 301, 267)
WT: Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his first-born Son. (Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 p.52) ... This means that [Jesus] was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God. (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p. 58)
JG: Christ was therefore the Son of God, and claimed to be nothing more. He was not the Deity. Not once did he say: “I am God.” (p. 330)
WT: Well, did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did. Rather, in the Bible he is called “God’s Son.” (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p.39 Christ is God’s Agent in Creation, Not the Creator)
JG: You teach the union of three persons in one Godhead ... This is a piece of human fallacy and is an absurdity. (p.265) ... Christ taught a unipersonalist God ... He knows of no triune God of Whom the Catholic and other Christian denomonations teach. Only the Father is God. (p. 364)
WT: The reason the Bible does not clearly teach the Trinity doctrine is simple: It is not a Bible teaching. Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear so that Jesus and his disciples could have taught it to others. And that vital information would have been included in God’s inspired Word. It would not have been left to imperfect men to struggle with centuries later. (Watchtower 11/1/91 p.23)
I can go on and on.
djhwoodwerks
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[GALLERY=media, 5390]Letter by djhwoodwerks posted Jun 10, 2015 at 8:16 PM[/GALLERY]
Mountain_Climber
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Yes, Jesus himself said that at John 8:44-45
Mountain_Climber
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Their words were not about Jesus' every way, any way.
Can you comprehend that?
Their words were not about Jesus' every way, any way.
Their words were about a specific way in which they felt Jesus was making himself equal to God, not in all ways as you and katiemygirl try to do.